Prince-Rebel ?!?

[Gogo_t]

I was playing as Bulgaria \70 provinces\ and the Tzar had two sons.
I made the older \son\ a spy, and the younger to be the now Tzar ! After the death of the Tzar his son who was spy \the older\ become a rebel ?!?
he didn't plunder my provinces, but the provinces of Cordoba.
So, have you seen this before ?

[Elvain]

yes, this is quite normal when you take older prince's right and give it to his younger brother

[Gogo_t]

yes, this is quite normal when you take older prince's right and give it to his younger brother
I like this ! :go:
Good job BSS ! Like in the real life :lol:

[Largefry07]

It doesn't happen all of the time though.

[Dobber]

When I do this, I make sure I have not assigned the elder brother any duties as a knight!

[Angryminer]

It's a really bad idea to make the older brother an experienced marshall with excellent troops and a lot of skills and then make his younger brother king. Mister Supermarshall will then turn into a level 10 rebel with 30% attack-bonus plus all his skills and his troops. Go figure.

Did it once (the first time I changed crown-prince) - costed me a fortune to get several well propared armies up to encounter this threat...

Angryminer

[Lord_Nick]

If I decide to give the second or third prince the crown, I make the older prince(s) into a Marshal, and send him to fight rebels in foreign kingdoms ... without any troops.

They will never bother me again :go:

[Tempest]

What a terrible waste, considering every prince is worth a handful of provinces if you marry him smartly instead of killing him... but well, I guess everybody's entitled to his own style of play. :P

[Largefry07]

That would be neat to have in the patch. Instead of the oldest prince just rebeling, have a few nearby provs break off of your kingdom and the prince is the King.

[Sir Sean]

i think this is wrong the prince should take some loyal provinces with him they have the same name as your kingdom but on the political map there called england of Richard and england of william so other nations know whos who Civil WAR

[Dobber]

I have seen 2 different nations with the same name on many occasions, one of my most recent was there were 2 Muscovy's, that was weird.

[Largefry07]

I've heard of three different nations baring the same name, though I personally only have seen two.

[Lord_Nick]

Tempest,

I only kill off Princes in the latter stages of the game when my entire Royal Court is occupied by ancestors of the current Royal Family.

If I have multiple princes, and only room for one on the Court, I first marry the weaker ones off to daughters of venerable Kings. Only after that king dies and I am given the option to inherit provinces do I kill the weak prince(s).

With all that in-breeding, you are definitely going to get some retarded princes. I prefer to euthanize them, rather than suffering from their weak leadership.

[Dobber]

Tempest,
With all that in-breeding, you are definitely going to get some retarded princes. I prefer to euthanize them, rather than suffering from their weak leadership.


With what in-breeding? I always marry my princes off to another kingdoms princesses. And since I never marry off a princess, there is none of my Royal blood in the women my princes marry. You can only have in-breeding if you are marrying within your own family!

[Lord_Nick]

I've used a tool called GenoPro to track the genealogy of my kingdom.

Here's an example from my Epir AAR:
"Despot Iakobos first tried to arrange a marriage between Gerasimos and Princess Akulina of Novgorod in exchange for peace, but this was rejected ... so he turned to the Caliphate of Baghdad, and arranged a marriage with Princess Aaliyah I, who was Patriarch Basil's niece."

It's not clear from this pic due to lack of space, but Patriarch Basil (the guy highlighted with light blue) was married to the sister of the current Caliph. The current Caliph's daughter was then married to Prince Gerasimos (guy shown in lower left).
http://img414.imageshack.us/img414/843/epirdynastyxi1gq.jpg

They're not first cousins .. but they are related.

I have another example, but need to search a little more to find it.

[Tempest]

It's hard to tell since I can't get much info from that rather tiny picture. However, the way I understood it, that's not in-breeding. Many (today) countries even allow you to marry a direct cousin. In the case you've laid out, it would not be the least genetically harmful.
That is only the case on a direct line of relationship (read: parents, brothers and sisters, children).
That's only on the side, though, as I don't believe a second that KoH calculates the princes' abilities by the grade of incest that was envolved in their birth. :P

But you were right about your earlier statement that it does no harm to kill princes when all the "good catch" princesses are gone. :P
Still, I never do that as it just feels wrong. I like to think of my KoH ruler as one of the good guys. And "euthanasing" off people because they have "bad genes" wakes some really awful pictures. I'm sure you didn't mean that the way it came out. Regardless if you did or not, you definitely should cut such talking.

[geckoman1011]

but does inbreeding make a difference in this game? i never thought it did. if so, england is screwed since thier last 4 queens came from me. (i use married off princesses to start wars when they try to claim heritage. saves on the kingdom power)

anyway, the best use for lesser princeses that i have found is using them as clerics and merchents. since you cant always rely on your king to sniff out spies, i like to make the lesser princes as clerics so that when i give them a city to govern they wont hand it over to some other kingdom. however, just as a precaution i do not allow them to be governing a city when the king (their father) is about to kick the bucket. after that they are reliable until they die trying to convert a province or gets high-jacked as the pope (although i am usually excommunicated, so thats not a problem :dwink: ) i hesitate making them a spy. i think it should be fine, but i havent experimented to find out. after their father dies they should be fine (after the only chance they have to rebel) but i just dont know what they might do.

as a marshal, why give some pissed off guy (cuz he aint gonna be da king) a bunch of murderous thugs? just gives him a better opportunity to reduce you in size. if you dont give him an army, and he does rebel when his father die, does he gain an army or is he left by himself, just like you left him? if he doesnt get an army, that is one safe way to get a reliable marshal, because if he does rebel and gets no army, it doesnt take long or much to kill him. the problem with this is you might have to wait a while for the king to die.

just my 2 cents worth. i hope you didnt waste your time reading it.

[BaneBlaze]

Also along this line, exactly how long does it take for a rebel to become famous?

I left one alone in Ireland for the longest time as I wanted to see and all my knights where busy on the frontlines of europe. The furthest he got was some highlanders and archers and still no fame. Eventually I got into a few more wars (oops:rofl: ) and purged him along with all the new rebels. Leaving myself rather dissapointed he never made it to become famous.

I'm guessing it depends on the size of the city and defences of the rebels province as it was kinda late game and it was a poor state with most of the defence upgrades due to lack of resources.

[Lord_Nick]

I think when a Rebel has earned 8 stars he becomes Famous.

I'm not sure if the Loyalist Rebels every earn that many stars before they try sieging the castle.

Perhaps the Famous Rebels are all Marshals that were made to rebel by some spy action.

[Dobber]

Perhaps the Famous Rebels are all Marshals that were made to rebel by some spy action.


That is what I thought! I know that when a spy achieves a rebellion that all the Marshall's turn into famous rebels. I thought all famous rebels were from this action, but someone mentioned elsewhere that they had seen either Loyalist rebels or Local rebels(I cannot remember which) become famous rebels. But I have not seen that come about myself.