Smaller Realm Idea/Question

[Redback]

Is there any chance smaller Realms can start, with a higher grade of troop training ?.

Its generally the case, the smaller the Country, the smaller the Army, the more Professional the Army.
eg. Sparta
Just curious


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[Bora]

hi!

in KoH the knights ar comanding the army. as frank fay described. no knight, no army. in KoH the current knightslots are 9. means you are able to hire 9 knights as army commanders (its called marshalls in the game) and every country ahs 9 knightslots not more, not less.
but you also can hire a knight as merchant, spy and klerik
you will find a lot of info of that in this forum:)

[HexHammer]

Originally posted by Redback
Its generally the case, the smaller the Country, the smaller the Army, the more Professional the Army.
eg. Sparta

Say what? I'm afraid I can't agree at all, there is no 'generally' historically evidence of the size of country and the quality of army.

Look at the Romans, they had the highest standards of soldiers, yet they had vastly more land than the spartans.
The Roman got beaten plenty of times in history, but they always evolved new tactics, and counter messures, then came back and kicked the hinies of the enemy.

Furthermore I think you are confusing youself with the word 'professional', it is merely a word of "doing something for money", it is nowhere a word for how skilled you are.

[Drake Maethor]

Originally posted by HexHammer

Furthermore I think you are confusing youself with the word 'professional', it is merely a word of "doing something for money", it is nowhere a word for how skilled you are.

mmm, he is an Australian, I'm sure he knows what the word "professional" means...

An here in my English dictionary I've found this two definitions among others:

professional:
1 someone who earns money by doing a job, sport, or activity that many other people do just for enjoyment.
2 someone who has a lot of experience and does something very skilfully.

so, he was right in that.

[Redback]

G'day ,HexHammer
There are exceptions,
but,remember the Roman Army was a Proffesional long term standing army,with high training standards.
Even in early days its organisation and training were of a higher standard than its enemies.
The total size of the Roman army was small in comparison to the total numbers of its enemies.
Most of the Roman Empires opponents were conscripts who had little or no formal training at working together.

Another example ;Great Britain in the Napoleonic Wars etc and Greeks during wars against Persia

Proffesional Soldiers are one's who,volunteer for career purposes
and are trained to a very high standard.
The smaller the army means more time for individual training.
Small countries use small Proffesional armies because they can not afford to train large armies.

:)

[HexHammer]

Originally posted by Redback
The smaller the army means more time for individual training.
Small countries use small Proffesional armies because they can not afford to train large armies.

I'm afraid you still havn't proven your claim. You only mention the Spartans, they weren't any better or worse than the Athenian in battleskill. The Spartans, just was that more lusting for ware, their whole culture was dominated by war, female boxers, whipping of youngsters ..etc

Please point out least 3 other cultures, who can support your claim.

[Elewyn]

Using Greeks as example of rpofesional arme seems very unlucky to me. In Greek municipal-states every free man was member of army, those who were more wealthy had better armour, those who were poorer, they used lighter armour and bows. They trained in certain period which might not have been usual in ancient armies, that's right, but they were everything but profesional army.

Roman army maybe (in times of early empire), maybe also army of medieval knights. They were something like "profesionals", it was originally their job-to fight. But not citizens of ancient Greek cities.

[Angryminer]

If the king of a small kingdom keeps his soldiers alive throughout more than one battle they will gain experience.
So it's actually up to you to decide wether you recruit as many soldiers as you can and let them die for nothing or spare their lives and let them become veterans.

Angryminer

[Redback]

G'day again HexHammer,

1st off ,Strong Spartan Children{and only strong}were taken from mother at age of 7 and trained in art of war.
And it was accepted throughout ancient world that they the best army in greece.
btw- only 1/3 - 1/2 of a Spartan army came from Sparta,
the rest were Peloponessian Allies or slaves.
Sparta had very low population,but they lost only a few battles until their decline.

Macedonia- Was another small country where the quality of its troops proved superior,which is why Alexander did so well.

Israel

Mongolian Empire- started with only a few million population

Canada- small population

New Zealand

Australia- Army has always been a (volunteer)Small Professional army(I served in it for 6 Years)current army of 30k or so.

But never mind I think Bora and Angryminner have answered my question:)

[Elewyn]

Originally posted by Redback
Macedonia- Was another small country where the quality of its troops proved superior,which is why Alexander did so well.

Israel

Mongolian Empire- started with only a few million population

Canada- small population

New Zealand

Australia- Army has always been a (volunteer)Small Professional army(I served in it for 6 Years)current army of 30k or so.[/B] I don't doubt about efficiency of small armies! Never, I know they are. But it sounds strange to use modern examples for medieval and ancient times.

Sparta, yes, you are right, but it was the only state with that educaton, in most of other Greek states soldiers were recruited from free citizens and mercenaries. Macedonia was not such small as it may seem. Its area was much larger than nowadays rep. of Macedonia(including Greek province Macedonia and significant parts of Thrace, what is area large almost like whole Greece those days! In comparison to Persia it is incomparable, but the success of Alexandre the Great was not only a question of professional/non professional army, but also of armour, weapons(quite new type of loooong pikes used aggainst war wagons and cavalry) and briliant tactics together with personality of leader.

and Mongolean empire with "only a few million population". In 100 years war 3 million England fought 8 million France, just for example of population rates in middle ages ;) "few millions" were such a number those times.

but nevermind, your question is already answered.

btw, I wonder what do the devs think about smaller realms(in language of KoH-so provinces) of size about a town and very near land, to have something like "municipal realms" as suggested somewhere else. It would be great for Rheinlands, northern Italy and Low lands and also Hanseatic cities. Just few of those: Paris, London, Brugge, Milan, Genoa, Venice, Cologne, Strassbourg, Hamburg, Lubeck, Riga, Barcelona and Constantinople. What about those "small realms"?

[Redback]

Originally posted by Elewyn
I don't doubt about efficiency of small armies! Never, I know they are. But it sounds strange to use modern examples for medieval and ancient times.

Sparta, yes, you are right, but it was the only state with that educaton, in most of other Greek states soldiers were recruited from free citizens and mercenaries. Macedonia was not such small as it may seem. Its area was much larger than nowadays rep. of Macedonia(including Greek province Macedonia and significant parts of Thrace, what is area large almost like whole Greece those days! In comparison to Persia it is incomparable, but the success of Alexandre the Great was not only a question of professional/non professional army, but also of armour, weapons(quite new type of loooong pikes used aggainst war wagons and cavalry) and briliant tactics together with personality of leader.

and Mongolean empire with "only a few million population". In 100 years war 3 million England fought 8 million France, just for example of population rates in middle ages ;) "few millions" were such a number those times.

but nevermind, your question is already answered.

btw, I wonder what do the devs think about smaller realms(Paris, London, Brugge, Milan, Genoa, Venice, Cologne, Strassbourg, Hamburg, Lubeck, Riga, Barcelona and Constantinople. What about those "small realms"?


G,day
examples are from all periods in history not just ancient:)
Argos,Thebes,Corinth and Athens were also trained well to try and compete with Sparta-{especially Argos}
Alexanders father trained the ancient Macedonian army into a professional force -especially Companion Cavalry

Mongols had to deal with China{which even then had worlds highest population}as well as garrison a very large Empire.

For game purposes,maybe make quality random for all small realms ?:)