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Angryminer
05-06-2004, 17:45
Perhaps we should be able to negotiate a 'merging' of two nations.
If the royal families of the two nations are related in any way (marriage) the king of the one nation would ask the other nation to merge the nations.
Small example:
King A has married his dauther to King B's son.
After a while the two nations are on very good terms and King A suggests King B to merge the nations. He says that nation A is the stronger nation so he should become king of the new nation, but king B will become a knight of nation A and will be the first successor of King A.
If nation A is much stronger than nation B, King B will be very likely to accept the suggestion, because he knows that he would loose the war that a denial would cause.
This feature is far off from reality, but I think it might turn out to be fun, because we'll see a lot of succession wars:
King B might deny the suggestion. King A declares war because he claims to be the rightfull ruler of nation B.
If King B accepts the agreement, he becomes the first successor of King A. King A's son surely won't like that. Let's start a civil war!
If King B accepts the agreement, King B's knights will loose their jobs. Let's start a civil war!
The people in nation B might be extremely upset that they just lost their king. Let's start a rebellion!
The people in nation A might dislike the all people from nation B (in medieval times very common) and want to keep the people from nation B out of their home. Let's start a rebellion!
Might be fun :D .
Did I say that I like fragmented kingdoms?
Angryminer
It could work, however the way you describe it, it don't sound like a merging of two "companies" - it sounds more like a hostile take-over to me :D
anyway, i think this possibility should be there and if it's not possible to do this now, then i'll hope we'll have this option in KoH2.
Originally posted by Angryminer
Did I say that I like fragmented kingdoms?
No you didn't, but it's quite obvious that you do :D
Angryminer
05-06-2004, 19:29
it don't sound like a merging of two "companies" - it sounds more like a hostile take-over to meThat's due to the nature of monarchies. There can't be two rulers, so one has to be superior.
Angryminer
Probably you mean merging countries. Not nations.
Originally posted by Vytis
Probably you mean merging countries. Not nations.
sorry, but since english is not my native language, wqould you be so kind to explain the difference be a country and a nation :confused:
Unless ofcourse you meant county instead of country !
[usually] A country is a territory. A nation is 'people'.
I just wanted to make sure Angryminer is talking about merging realms and not ethnicities.
Angryminer
05-06-2004, 21:22
You can't seperate that easily.
Of course, the realms are merged.
But the people will be affected by that too (see my example).
Angryminer
I thought we already have something similar through diplomatic options. If not - definitely good idea!
If King B accepts the agreement...Let's start a civil war!...Let's start a rebellion!...King B's knights will loose their jobs
Maybe there should a chance (%) of that happening instead of sure thing (100%). After all, some knights might decide to serve a new king, some oppose him, and some to simply retire or go on crusades.
Angryminer
05-06-2004, 21:48
Of course I meant that there should be the chance of a civil war/rebellion etc.
Thanks for pointing that out.
Angryminer
some kind of this is as diplomatical marriage. When some king has the only daughter, it's clear that her housband is gonna be a king-merging.
But this idea as separate diplomatical action seems to be good to me :)
Originally posted by Elewyn
some kind of this is as diplomatical marriage. When some king has the only daughter, it's clear that her housband is gonna be a king-merging.
But this idea as separate diplomatical action seems to be good to me :)
As i have stated before i also like the idea though i think it's too late to implement it, but i hope we'll see this in KoH2 !
Frank Fay
06-06-2004, 11:41
Yes there is % chance for each province to fight against new rulership, when you successfully claim new land. It is called "nostalgic feeling", which makes the population unhappy.
Sir Turylon
08-06-2004, 04:16
hmm.. sounds like in Civilization 3.
You take over an enemy city and there is a great chance that city will revert back to old country unless your culture is high.
Frank, will religion be a factor in this?
Say, a Islamic player takes over a Byzantine county. Will the county be more likely to revolt and maybe even petition the Byzantine empire for "reclaming them." I'd like to see the special units disabled in certain counties if there is large amount of unhappiness. :) Think.. "We are too upset with you to make a powerful Templar, make us happy again and we'll resume making them." (or does unhappiness effect all of production) IE, civil disorder ala Civ series.
just a few thoughts.
Frank Fay
08-06-2004, 07:48
yes religion is also a factor which is decreasing the happiness. You can "convert" with a Cleric and then it will be gone...
Sir Turylon
08-06-2004, 23:45
Originally posted by Frank Fay
yes religion is also a factor which is decreasing the happiness. You can "convert" with a Cleric and then it will be gone...
:cheers:
danke
Originally posted by Frank Fay
yes religion is also a factor which is decreasing the happiness. You can "convert" with a Cleric and then it will be gone...
well, when you try to convert people isn't there a risk that they will start to rebel against you ? - or are they just like mindless zombies: "whatever you say boss, dooohhh" ?
Sir Turylon
09-06-2004, 05:11
Originally posted by Henrik
well, when you try to convert people isn't there a risk that they will start to rebel against you ? - or are they just like mindless zombies: "whatever you say boss, dooohhh" ?
hehe. That made me chuckle. Reminded me of Warcraft and the little peons. You could order then to attack an ogre magi and they would. hehe. Dabu!
seriously... hmm, sounds like an interesting idea.
Frank Fay
10-06-2004, 09:08
No, it is a fair chance of failing there, if you sent a less experienced Cleric.....
Originally posted by Frank Fay
No, it is a fair chance of failing there, if you sent a less experienced Cleric.....
I'm happy to see that you also have thought about that one :)
can u have vassel state's?
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