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[Hector]

Originally posted by Spudster
what aobut this one (http://sbt.bhmedia.com/)

lol

never saw that one

[Spudster]

yeah its also a good one...

[Redback]

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I'll post some more latter;) :cheers:

[4zzY]

to the one that im gonna share with you now
i laughed when i heard for the first itme the impression that
the law of conservation of energy is for the losers
but i found it very disturbing when i learned that
the law of conservation of energy is wrong
in the single case of Earth it works
but on a cosmic scale it comepletely irrelevant
=>most of the modern physics has to be rewritten
it acounts only for conventional energy
which is estimated to be only 30% of all energy in the universe
the so called dark energy which fills the gaps between the galaxies
was suggested in 1999 but Einstein introduced it indirectly
in his equation for the compensation of gravity
the trick is that resently it was proved that the dark matter
creates a force similar to gravity but with an opposite sign
up untill now it is known that it affects photones
but there is no reason for it not to affect all matter
a quick example would be the gravitational well
lets suppose we roll a ball doun a V slope
if we neglect the friction at the bottom it would have aquired
exactly the sufficient energy to climb the other slope
...according to gravitation and law of conservation of energy...
however in the space this is not the case
when a photon falls in a gravitational well of dark energy
it comes out a littlle bit faster - with greater energy
this explains the paradox that the galaxies
are not only moving apart from each other
but they increase their speed as well
this leads to the interesting conclusion
that even some galaxies have reached the point
where they "run" from one another with speeds
faster than the speed of light
which means that they can not be seen any more

dont know about you but i find this extremely fascinating

[Spudster]

interesting.....but in space...newton's first law says that anything in motion stays in motion at an equal speed that it waas started at so gravity wouldnt work on the slope in space so that the baloon would keep going the same speed. or even just sit there if there is no force acted upon it...but that is quite interesting....

WE are swimming all the time......in air of course....

[Sir Turylon]

I find it extremely dumb. :)

theoretical physics are more like relgions than a real science. The use logic and theories that can not be proved at our own level of understanding... thus they cannot be proven wrong or right by modern thinking.

The "dark energy" or "negative gravity" is quite silly if you think about it. How do they know it exists? they noticed that the stars and galaxies were moving faster, and acclerating. This contradicted their old theory that everything was moving at a constant rate of speed away from the focal point of the "big bang." So, they came up with this theory to make their old theory make sense again. :) (rmemeber, there is no way to prove it)

Negative forces accelerating positive forces? hmm. interesting...


PS. kinda funny how we are still trying to think outside of our own abilities, again. guess we need a spaceship that can fly outside of the solar system and galaxy to test these theories.

[Spudster]

Originally posted by Sir Turylon
PS. kinda funny how we are still trying to think outside of our own abilities, again. guess we need a spaceship that can fly outside of the solar system and galaxy to test these theories.

nice....hahaha

really how can something in space accelerate when something without gravity, friction, or anything to obsrtuct it stays in motion and will continue until something stops it. It can't accelerate when there is nothing to make it accelerate....and it would only accelerate for a brief time because there is no gravity in space. of course if you believe in the big bang theory, you could believe that it would acclerate but only sor that little time that it happened....it woulndt continue to accelerate....and i dont believe in the big bang theory becasue i dont understand how something could come from nothing.....and how millions of years really happens....

[Largefry07]

Yes I am a huge believed in non-big bang theroy. How the heavens above our heads were created is in the best selling book of all time. The Bible.:angel:

[Spudster]

Large Fry...nice :cheers:

[Sir Turylon]

Originally posted by Largefry07
Yes I am a huge believed in non-big bang theroy. How the heavens above our heads were created is in the best selling book of all time. The Bible.:angel:

*buys you a drink for that comment*


Well Spud. Big bang theory says that everything is moving at the same speed.

Explosions in space.. not like you see in the movies. :) When something explodes it floats off at the same speed... unless it is pulled in by a planet's gravity. Objects CAN accelerate in out space.. and Newton's laws of motion ARE valid in space. They use his laws to sling the astronauts around the moon for their trip home. This is centripital force. The same thing can happen to planets.

Imagine this.. on a x-y plane. object A is moving at say 1000 feet per second along the slope of y=x now.. place object B with gravital pull roughly 3/4 that of object A at (2,3). Object A would then be pulled by the gravitic forces of object B out of it's course along y=x UNLESS it has enough velocity to escape the gravitic pull.

Accleration is ALSO why the Earth does not eventually collapse into the sun. This planet actually accelerates around the sun. The reason we do not feel it is because it is centripital acceleration. IE.. circular. according to the big bang... no acceleration would be possible since everything is moving out with equal velocity along different vetors. If you believe in big bang.. answer me this... Where did the matter come from? If it collapsed back on itself.. how did the particles suddenly turn back around? Why are solar systems moving in random vector paths... instead of away from one central point....

[Drake Maethor]

Originally posted by 4zzY

the law of conservation of energy is wrong


SAY WHATt?!?!?! :eek:
Well! that was what I said after reading your post.
I have searched a little more to know about that of the Conservation Law not working and the 'dark energy well' and yes that's seem to be the case according to the photon experiment. Altought maybe is a little fast to say that the Law of Conservation is not working becaure here we are at the border of contemporary physics. In fact, past its borders.
What I found strange about this is that it seems that the dark matter doesn't do nothing to desaccelerate the photon before it enters the 'well'. So it seems to only work as a repulsive accelerating force. But doesn't desaccelerate anything. :rolleyes:

Originally posted by Spudster
interesting.....but in space...newton's first law says that anything in motion stays in motion at an equal speed that it waas started at so gravity wouldnt work on the slope in space so that the baloon would keep going the same speed. or even just sit there if there is no force acted upon it...but that is quite interesting....

WE are swimming all the time......in air of course....

Newton's first law says:

'A free particle moves at costant speed, that is, without acceleration.'

Free means free of forces affecting it. In space of course there are forces. Gravity as an example, like Sir Turylon said.
It is not gravity what doesn't work in space. Maybe the thing from where you get that idea said something about an object floating alone in space. That would mean alone, far far away of everything so no force can affect it. And yes, thats the case for Newton's first law.
But that isn't 4zzY's case. Because the galaxies wouldn't be free from forces because of the dark matter :p

Originally posted by Sir Turylon
I find it extremely dumb.

theoretical physics are more like relgions than a real science. The use logic and theories that can not be proved at our own level of understanding... thus they cannot be proven wrong or right by modern thinking.


'At our own level of understanding...'
Turylon! the fact that you cannot understand them doesn't mean they cannot be proven! ;)


The "dark energy" or "negative gravity" is quite silly if you think about it. How do they know it exists? they noticed that the stars and galaxies were moving faster, and acclerating. This contradicted their old theory that everything was moving at a constant rate of speed away from the focal point of the "big bang." So, they came up with this theory to make their old theory make sense again. :) (rmemeber, there is no way to prove it)


The only way to prove a theory is seeing if it makes sense. If the model works and is the simplest, then is good. Period: Is working and you need no more, as long as you don't find special cases where it doesn't work.
And then, my friend, then you correct it, don't just throw it await.

You know... I'm gonna tell you a story...
Long ago there were on planet Earth a bunch of people believing that they had the answer to almost any physic phenomena in the world. They were so proud and happy that they believed there were only little things proof. However those little things couldn't be prooved: those little phenomena where their ideas didn't work were joking at their theories, explanations and predictions. So what did they do? Some were blind and proud: They couldn't accept those special cases, something was wrong, but sure not their principles and theories.
Surely there were also other people blind and proud that said: I told ya! Nothing of your ideas works, all is bull****, your principles are a big lie. They have worked so far only by chance.
But in the middle of them other more clever people appeared and said: OK! This doesn't work! But this has worked in every place so far! We cannot say this is bull****! Is good... well almost! Let's see whats happening in these little cases. And I tell you something, these people worked, worked really hard btw, and came out with the Theory most fastly developed so far: The theory of Quantum physics. Thanks to those people who didn't surrender, like Planck, Einstein, de Broglie, Schrödinger, Heinsenberg and Bohr you are using today your computer, you are today watching television, thanks to them you are benefiting from satellites and atomic power, you have lasers and you are using all your electronics with integrated devices. You have a lot of great things: a lot of knowledge that used rightly saved a lot of lifes. So please, give physics and the people that worked for it a little more respect. They really deserve it, they give a lot of things to you and you are just saying physics is a lie. That is bull****.
Maybe it is... But it is a lie that is working so well and has done and given so much to us that if that is the case then I take my hat off before those 'liars', because they are the best liars the world has ever seen.


Negative forces accelerating positive forces? hmm. interesting...


Yes, I also find that interesting! A FORCE that can be acelerated?? :rofl:
Go and tell it to your school physics teacher!

Is not the force what was accelerated (how can you accelerate a force???:p) , was a particle: in this case a photon, a particle of light.

The thing is like this:
Every particle with mass has a gravity field. That means it affect another particles with mass. Like the Earth affect us: we have mass, she has mass, then we have a force that here, near her, equals to our weight. We feel attracted to her, but she also feels attracted to us. (Only that a force like our weight is very little for her).
But before continuing let's see another interesting examples: ;) :D


So, gravity doesn't work in a way like, for example, the attraction 4zzY feels for Heretic, or Heretic feels for me...
It is more like the one Henrik feels for Turylon. Because Turylon feels the same for Henrik!


Now this was understood we can continue with 'negative gravity':
Those dark particles also make gravity fields! Only that their masses are of another sign than our normal masses. And so instead of attracting us, they repell us. (What's happening to the galaxies).
This about particles of different sign is not crazy at all!
*that was before Turylon opens his big mouse*
Remember the case of electric forces: electrons have negative charge, and protons positive. Positive reppel positive and attract negative; negative reppell negative and attract positive.
(same sign attracts different sign and reppels same sign)
Here is the same. But instead of positive attracting negative it seems that normal attracts normal and maybe dark attracts dark.
(same sign attracts same sign and reppels different sign)
If that is the case I wouldn't be surprised, I have seen that kind of strange symmetry before (in Maths if you want to know).

This was written before finding out more about the subject. It seems that the dark mass doesn't desacelerate nothing. That's what I can conclude from the 'dark energy well' experiment (the one 4zzY wrote about). And I think that's the reason why the Law of Conservation doesn't seem to work.

Originally posted by Spudster
nice....hahaha

really how can something in space accelerate when something without gravity, friction, or anything to obsrtuct it stays in motion and will continue until something stops it. It can't accelerate when there is nothing to make it accelerate....and it would only accelerate for a brief time because there is no gravity in space. of course if you believe in the big bang theory, you could believe that it would acclerate but only sor that little time that it happened....it woulndt continue to accelerate....and i dont believe in the big bang theory becasue i dont understand how something could come from nothing.....and how millions of years really happens....

I'm sure you cannot even understand how a TV works. Does that mean that the TV doesn't work? :scratch:
BTW, Big Ben doesn't say that nothing comes out from nothing. It just say that everything came from one little place, and that thanks to a big explotion it spread trough the universe.

Originally posted by Largefry07
Yes I am a huge believed in non-big bang theroy. How the heavens above our heads were created is in the best selling book of all time. The Bible.

I'm agree about the Bible. But you know... some people always want to know a little more! And thanks to them humankind has... well, I'm sure you have played Civilization. Btw, you woulnd't have played it if it wasn't by those who want to know more.

Originally posted by Sir Turylon
Explosions in space.. not like you see in the movies. When something explodes it floats off at the same speed... unless it is pulled in by a planet's gravity. Objects CAN accelerate in out space.. and Newton's laws of motion ARE valid in space. They use his laws to sling the astronauts around the moon for their trip home. This is centripital force. The same thing can happen to planets.

About Newton's laws. How can I say it... Newton's law are valid... In everyplace so far, space or not. Except in high speeds near the Speed of Light. There Einstein's Relativety laws are used. BTW, that doesn't mean that we throw Newton's laws away. Einstein laws are just an upgraded version of Newton's laws. Like a better version of the same program.

Accleration is ALSO why the Earth does not eventually collapse into the sun. This planet actually accelerates around the sun. The reason we do not feel it is because it is centripital acceleration. IE.. circular. according to the big bang... no acceleration would be possible since everything is moving out with equal velocity along different vetors.

What are you talking about????! Hey! Brake your car!
You are forgetting that those 'pieces of matter' that came from Big Bang can be accelerated by themselves. If something has mass, it has a gravity field. If it has a gravity field, then it affect every particle with mass inside its gravity field.

And also you are forgetting about the three other forces in the world. (Electromagnetic, Strong and Weak (these last two are nuclear forces)).

If you believe in big bang.. answer me this... Where did the matter come from? If it collapsed back on itself.. how did the particles suddenly turn back around? Why are solar systems moving in random vector paths... instead of away from one central point....

I believe in Big Bang and I will explain you with little 3 words:
HAND OF GOD

You know something???, you can still believe in God and not taking Genesis that literal! There are some people believing in God btw that not even find the Bible a book of their faith did you know about that fact?
So don't talk bull**** conclusions that we, Big-Bang believers don't believe in God. Some people maybe, but there are also people in the other side, that don't believe in science and only in the Bible, you know? You are an example.
However we who are in the middle think you both types are narrow minded and we feel happier than you. Why? Happier than them because we believe in something big and good and that life doesn't end here. Happier than you because we understand a little more of God's Work and that understanding make us realize how great, mighty and intelligent He is.

By the way, if you don't believe in Big Bang explain me just one thing: Cosmic Background Radiation behaving so well in accord to Planck's law for the radiation of a blackbody. A law published by the way many years before Cosmic Background Radiation was found.
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OK people, that's all. Class is dismissed!
And spudster do your homework!
Turylon and Largefry write 1000 times: Believers can believe in Big-Bang!
And 4zzY thanks for the lemon, but I prefer apples!

[Haegemon]

Dark matter acts like a transmitter of the physic, but don't affect it for this reason an object vº=v, it's constant. This permits a pranet spin around a star till collapses, or the gravity of the star it's higher enough to attract the body to collide.

What let spin a planet or a particle...? the mass + magnet: -+mass<=>-+magnet=-+ atraction. As bigger or smaller is the mass of an object A respects the mass of an object B, bigger or smaller will be the atraction. This magnetism is gives polarity to objects, but the mass proportion is important.
Examp:

Did you ever done that experiment taking a plastic pencil. Rub it off against your cloth and later try to atract pieces of paper?

Or if you have a shirt or other clothes with high % of nylon, after wear it, when you take off it start to sparkle?

[Spudster]

One thing I know is that when NASA shoots a satallite into space, they have a perfect angle set so that it will hit the gravitational pull of that planete. For example...Saturn today....The shoot it off in space after exiting the atmosphere of earth and the accelerate it at that one planet. Then they turn off the engines and just let the satallite drift off at that plaent. It passed by other planets but it is going so fast that it justs flaots by. If they kept the engines on, they would run out of fuel and the thing would be useless when it got to the planet. So newton's law is correct (not disagreeing with you) that it keeps going, but its not really accelerating more once the engines have gone off. THe force is gone and it cat accelrete anymore.

[Sir Turylon]

Drake, you're so silly.


BTW, if you look carefully, God Spoke the universe into being... If you go down to the very sub-atomic level.. all atomic elements vibrate... hmm... as if.. a sound wave hit them.... interesting, isn't it?


'At our own level of understanding...'

Like I said Drakey. We'd have to go out of our galaxy and do experiments there... for now...we can't do that.


BTW, how did they gather this "dark energy" in that expirament if it only exists outside of galaxies????

@Spud
THe force is gone and it cat accelrete anymore.

Oh, but they do! Acceleration is not a 2 dimensional value. we are talking about accleration along vectors.
For example... You're driving down a street and you have cruise control on. You round a sharp corner while not slowing down. Your car accelerates in a direction perpendicular to your motion of travel. This is getting into advanced mathematics... acceleration along 3 plans. When you go into relativity and space-time. you can have acceleration over 3 dimensions. IE, x,y,z,t. (t = time). Einstein's theories do not hold after light speed though. Nobody has been able to actually test them though.

I heard that they "teleported" a photon... in reality.. they didn't... they just trasnfered one photon's properties onto another one like a cm away.

This dark energy expirament... where did it take place?

@magnetism.

They are still trying to come up witht he universal field theory. IE, where magnetism and gravity co-exist as one unified force.

@ We feel attracted to her, but she also feels attracted to us. (Only that a force like our weight is very little for her).

haha, explaining attraction by gavity. w00t! so the next time some girl says she's not attracted to you, you can say.. oh but you are... it is a universal fact! hahaha. (ok, no more science nerd pick-up lines.)

@acceleration in orbital paths.

It's a fact Drake. the earth accelerates around the sun. all planets do. remember.. we are talking about vectors, not cars. (even cars accelerate around corners though. that is why you feel pulled towards the vector you were originally going.) Ever watch a centrifuge? :)

Changing the vector of a force is a bit hard... perhaps this is the theory behind those shields in star trek. Gravitic shields that repulse all objects.. woot! some cool stuff.

Turylon and Largefry write 1000 times: Believers can believe in Big-Bang

bah, big bang... no. I believe in the Big Shout. :)

[Spudster]

@ Turylon...nice...ever heard of ken hamm?

[Sir Turylon]

Originally posted by Spudster
@ Turylon...nice...ever heard of ken hamm?

nope. who is he?

[Spudster]

oh, just a guy that defends the book of Genesis....

[Sir Turylon]

Originally posted by Spudster
oh, just a guy that defends the book of Genesis....

cool. let's drink to his effort.
*breaks out the kosher wine*
:cheers:

[Haegemon]

@Turylon. It's imposible to discuss anything with you. You're like a wall and everything bouces out.

[Largefry07]

Here's a little unknown fact to some people.

The United States Secert Service was est. not to protect the President but to find counterfiters (people who make fake money) and are still under the dept. of Treasurey