Naval?

[Sir Turylon]

Hahaha...I like your description of the battle. :go:

Well fin, that's pretty much it.. lol. hours of maneuvering... then taunting... then.. they throw javelins and arrows at each other.. more taunting.. then they board each other... pretty much boring stuff. :)

[Largefry07]

Look at the new srceenshot "River Crossing". It looks like there is somewhat of a navy. They look like transports (really more rafts than anything). But I think it is enough to comfirm that there is somewhat of a navy.

[Lord_Guilherme]

hours of maneuvering... then taunting... then.. they throw javelins and arrows at each other.. more taunting.. then they board each other... pretty much boring stuff.

Couldn't describe it better. Those medieval battles were really boring. The good naval battles began in the Reinassence, with pirates and gunships. In the industrial age they were even better when they used rockets. But the best are in the World War II with subs and cruisers. In that time they were even more important because they could stop an aerial assault and also transport a great number of soldiers.
But in medieval times they were veeeery boring..

[Angryminer]

The disturbing thing about naval battles is that they were long.
Much too long.
Imagin there were close-view-naval-battles in KoH.
France is in war with England, the tricky english King decides to send two knights towards France. But the tricky french King knows that because of a spy in the english royal court, so he lets an army board on ships and makes an counter-attack against the english invaders.
The french armada encounter one of the english fleets.
The other english fleet keeps on sailing towards France.
The french ships try to encircle the english ships, the second english fleets is about to land in france.
The french ships are in fire-range and shoot arrows at the english ships, while the second english army is marching towards the city of Anjou.
The french ships have to regroup due to heavy chaos on the sea-battlefield. The english army has taken Anjou and moves on towards Paris.
The french ships start a new attack and throw their javelins at the english ships.
The english army has reached Paris. The defensive-forces of Paris are on the sea-battlefield so the english invaders decide to assault.
The french ships board the english ships, Paris has fallen to the english.
The french ships have defeated the english fleet, another english fleet shows up in Wessex. The english army moves on....

Angryminer

[Bora]

frank fay sayd there are naval battles but they will nit be in close view. so i guess they will be like in mtw, by kind of "drag&drop" and the fleet with the best ships or the most ships will win,... thats all i guess. naval battles in medieval are pretty boring to put them into a computer game. so its good that there is no mainfocuse on that in KoH.

[Sir Turylon]

ah, Guilherme. so true.

I especially loved the battles of Jutland (WW1), Hampton Roads (American Civil War.. better known as merimack vs monitor), Battle of Midway (WW2, duh), and.. not forgeting... Leyete Gulf. :go: Trafalger is another good one...

[Jarlabanke]

I guess naval warfare is the place where gunpowder would make sense,though they'd have to extend the game for another 100 years or so

[King Yngvar]

naval battles in medieval are pretty boring to put them into a computer game.

Depending on who see them. Make it an option at least, to see the fleets engaging eachother. A war between Norway and Denmark would be very boring if I could not see and control the battles (mainly at sea). Plus, I don't think they would last any longer. The ships would encounter, warriors would board eachother's ships, one side would win and take the other's ships.

[Lord_Guilherme]

I especially loved the battles of Jutland (WW1), Hampton Roads (American Civil War.. better known as merimack vs monitor), Battle of Midway (WW2, duh), and.. not forgeting... Leyete Gulf. Trafalger is another good one...

Isn't strange to love battles? They bring death and we still like them...
I just can't explain why, but I like them. I love seeing how an outnumbered weak army has defeated a powerful 3 times larger army (Agoncourt) or how Napoleon lost the Battle of Waterloo; or even the politics leaders used (Kennedy pointing the missiles to "Cuba" simbolizing a threat). I think War is an Art. That's why we love to play RTS games.
But most people don't think like us.

[Sir Turylon]

Well Lord_G there is a big difference between loving the tactics and strategies and loving the death and mayhem. :go:

best example from US would be the civil war in 1860s. Did you know it is the 2nd most studied "time of war" in our nation? Why? Partly because of the accounts left behind.

I think most of us have a deep down intrigue about warfare in general. Philosophy borders on the warring between two mindsets, so it is a natural yearning to understand conflict in general. We long to hear of how wars have been and will be fought, but abhore the consequences of them. It's a dualistic lament for both the carnage and the granduer in wars.

George S Patton once said... "God help me brad, I do love it so." Did he mean the death and destuction? Of course not. The hardest part of leading troops is seeing them get killed. He loved the whole ambiance of war. The glory, the power, the prestige of winning battles. To pit your own strength against an opponent, there is no greater test of your own fortitude.

Should wars be abolished? perhaps. It would be better to be able to live peacefully for eternity then face an eternity of conflict. But can we, as simple humans, ever obtain the vaulted level of complete and utter peace that has forever evaded our grasp? I do not think it possible unless we have a "divine intervention." ;)

Drink to the fallen on the fields of war.
Drink to the captives, death has taken.
Laud the victories, remember the lost.
The time will come, when war is gone.
For now, salute to the fallen in war.
Remember the vanquished in song.
:cheers:

[Beyazit I.]

To vote for Kerry and not for Bush would bring the whole World a great piece of Peace..
I don´t think that the USA needs such a dump Man as President.

War is never good for none reason.

To topic..

Naval warfare was the last thing that was Important in the Medieval. The mostly Naval Units were used to defend the carrying ships for the troops.

[Lord_Guilherme]

Should wars be abolished? perhaps. It would be better to be able to live peacefully for eternity then face an eternity of conflict. But can we, as simple humans, ever obtain the vaulted level of complete and utter peace that has forever evaded our grasp? I do not think it possible unless we have a "divine intervention."

I doubt I will live long enough to see the day where humans are emerged in a world full of love and peace. Humans are greedy. There will always be someone that wants to be above the others. There will aways be someone who wants to get more money. There will always be someone who wants more power. There will be always some that want to dominate the others. This is endless. As long as humans live, we will have disputes for territory, money (or something equivalent), power, vegeance and interests. So war will always exist. It is like a Law of Nature.

[Largefry07]

George S Patton once said... "God help me brad, I do love it so." Did he mean the death and destuction? Of course not. The hardest part of leading troops is seeing them get killed. He loved the whole ambiance of war. The glory, the power, the prestige of winning battles. To pit your own strength against an opponent, there is no greater test of your own fortitude.


You saw the movie didn't you?

Wars will always be in by our side, untill, like Sir Turylon said I do not think it possible unless we have a "divine intervention.". :angel:

[Sir Turylon]

To vote for Kerry and not for Bush would bring the whole World a great piece of Peace..
I don´t think that the USA needs such a dump Man as President.


wow. you never miss an opportunity to bash a foreign leader. *goes to dig some dirt up on Germany's chancellor*

@large
lol, yeah. thing is, Patton was really like that. He was a warrior trapped in a soldier's body.


@"the bush basher"


Naval warfare was the last thing that was Important in the Medieval. The mostly Naval Units were used to defend the carrying ships for the troops.

somewhat right. naval engagements played a CRUCIAL role during the third crusade. If it was not for the naval forces of Genoa and Venice Acre would have never been taken. Richard sailed over on something like 120 ships or so. that's a BIG fleet, even compared to WW2 standards. problem with naval warfare in games like KoH.. you really need to balance it. No game based off the period between 0 AD through 1700s has yet, to my personal level of detail, has come close to being good at naval engagements. It is pretty much... ships sail in... they do not have to worry about the wind, or sea conditions.. they can turn instantly... very unrealistic. :)

[Angryminer]

1. Sir Turylon: I'd like to help you to dig dirt on germany's chancellor, but that would be offtopic... :)
2. "War is the father of all things"
(Please look a bit deeper into greece philosophy, if you want to comment this.)
3. As long as it's some bunches of pixels smashing each others war is quite cool :go: .

Angryminer

[Beyazit I.]

2. "War is the father of all things"
(Please look a bit deeper into greece philosophy, if you want to comment this.)
Angryminer

Heraklit??

One more or less positive aspect of warfare is that the most inventions are made during or because of a possible war. Maybe without warfare or warindustry we wouldn´t have Internet to mention only one big invention?? I once have read that Internet is the advanced form of the ARPAnet (Advanced Research Project Agency) which the US Military have used to communicate in the later 60ties maybe till today..?

[Angryminer]

You are right, war-research gave us many new technologies. But in this quote "war" means all discussions, arguments and different opinions, too.
That's why I told you all to think about the quote for a moment.

Angryminer

[Largefry07]

Heraklit??

One more or less positive aspect of warfare is that the most inventions are made during or because of a possible war. Maybe without warfare or warindustry we wouldn´t have Internet to mention only one big invention?? I once have read that Internet is the advanced form of the ARPAnet (Advanced Research Project Agency) which the US Military have used to communicate in the later 60ties maybe till today..?

We would still have the internet. Al Gore would have invented it with war or without war. lol

[Sir Turylon]

modern medicine was born from war. most forms of transportation were born from warfare. electricity, radio, television... all born from warfare. even idea of VACATIONS was invented from warfare. hehe.

[geno604]

Well i hope that it is a bit more compicated than a civ1 type of battle (press left on keyboard, ship moves and attacks parallel ship, ship sinks..).

:)

How many types of ships are there, or is it a "general" tradin ship,battle ship,transport ship.. ??