Religon in the new patch

[kiri_hacker]

I see that the patch has changed stuff in the game about religon like: Byzantia collects money from the other subordinate orthodox kingdoms... But I dont like the fact that Kingdoms never try to convert to another religon.... they used to do it before the patch....
The second thing is that crusades are rare and they are never able to take over a town... So yeach it kinda S-ucks

[Gogo_t]

I see that the patch has changed stuff in the game about religon like: Byzantia collects money from the other subordinate orthodox kingdoms... But I dont like the fact that Kingdoms never try to convert to another religon.... they used to do it before the patch....
The second thing is that crusades are rare and they are never able to take over a town... So yeach it kinda S-ucks
NO :eek:
That never hapend to me :confused:
There were 3 crusades against me \Bulgaria\. Crusders were very strong. They take control over Epir one time \not for long :lol: I kill them all :angry: \
The patch made the game so interesting...
My vasal Golden Horde convert all regions to pagan religon.
Btw After the first crusade all catholic nations become natural \relations\ ?!

[patriot1]

NO :eek:
That never hapend to me :confused:
There were 3 crusades against me \Bulgaria\. Crusders were very strong. They take control over Epir one time \not for long :lol: I kill them all :angry: \
The patch made the game so interesting...
My vasal Golden Horde convert all regions to pagan religon.
Btw After the first crusade all catholic nations become natural \relations\ ?!
Crusade against Bulgaria?!:silly:
Now why is that crusade against another christian country,makes no sence!All were against muslim countries and none against orthodox!

[Kris Rhodes]

Every time someone goes on a crusade against me, I just immediately offer them a white peace and they almost always accept.

Then if they don't accept, I offer them the white peace once they've finally got some troops on my lands. Then they accept.

I have never, not one single time, been actually attacked by a crusading army--even though I've had plenty of crusades called against me.

I am playing 1.05.

-FrL-

[kiri_hacker]

Crusade against Bulgaria i svery posible but.... The Golden Horde converts to the pagan religon without doing anything people just accept it ... what Im saying is that:
A: Muslims never convert to Islam
B:Orthodox kingdms dont convert to orthodox
C:Catholics never covert either
D: After playing a while towns become so strong that Crusades dont have a chance...(you can beat them with peasants if you want) :go:

[neotropius]

I see that the patch has changed stuff in the game about religon like: Byzantia collects money from the other subordinate orthodox kingdoms... But I dont like the fact that Kingdoms never try to convert to another religon.... they used to do it before the patch....
The second thing is that crusades are rare and they are never able to take over a town... So yeach it kinda S-ucks
Wow,Bizantia have collected money from the subordinate ot Constantinopol since the begining of the game...(Version 1.00)
And,also Nicaea have collected money (in the time where Bizantia is apart),and also if a rebel kingdom was called Nicaea , it also collects money (no sence - the ortodox are subordinated to Thrace , but the rebel Thrace don't collect any gold). :eek:
About this "never-convert-thingy" it's really strange , I also noticed it :sad:

[Elvain]

Crusade against Bulgaria?!:silly:
Now why is that crusade against another christian country,makes no sence!All were against muslim countries and none against orthodox!
there were crusades against orthodox too. What about the 4th crusade against Constantinople?
In the game, if an orthodox kingdom owns many catholic provinces and is at war with many catholics, a crusade can be called against it.

Generaly crusaders are less successfull because the AI cities are much better defended and crusaders sidn't get any bonus. SO they hardly can capture a city. (I stregnghtened them and they seem to be more successfull in Holy Rome 1.8 testing version)

the problem of conversions is that they are way too expensive.

[Lord_Nick]

Wow,Bizantia have collected money from the subordinate ot Constantinopol since the begining of the game...(Version 1.00)
And,also Nicaea have collected money (in the time where Bizantia is apart),and also if a rebel kingdom was called Nicaea , it also collects money (no sence - the ortodox are subordinated to Thrace , but the rebel Thrace don't collect any gold). :eek:
About this "never-convert-thingy" it's really strange , I also noticed it :sad:

What's this about other Orthodox kingdoms giving gold to Byzantia?

Prior to this patch, the only difference with a Patriarch was the amount of Piety/Books you produced. There was no difference in gold production.

Can anyone else confirm these statements for both before and after the patch?

[patriot1]

there were crusades against orthodox too. What about the 4th crusade against Constantinople?

Yeah and the pope expelled them from the church for that!

[MannofWar]

On one of my Sicily campaigns the same crusader army repeatedly attacked one of my citys and won but never took the city, they kept assaulting until my town guards were all dead, leave and then repeat until the crusade is lost. Weird :scratch:

[Angryminer]

It might be possible they raided the town for money instead of occupying it.

Angryminer

[MannofWar]

They just kept attacking and winning and then repeat i know they sacked it but then they would just attack the same city until there army was dead. really :bash: behavour. :cool:

[knez]

what a wild night :biggrin:

so, I'm York, conquerd Great Britain (btw. what else I need for England)
anyway, I just got the pope, and Cordoba is about to conquror western Europe :nono:
I lounched some 20 sucessful crusadec against Cordoba, 5 new kingdoms created (3 catholic, 2 muslim), Cordoba is down to 3 provinces and it's not over (I really have to sleep:angry:)

age of crusades
:knight: :king: :mosher:

[Dobber]

..............................so, I'm York, conquerd Great Britain (btw. what else I need for England)
.....................................

You cannot unite England as York in vanilla KoH. I am not sure which nations Elvain included in his Mod for the unite England quest, but in standard, vanilla KoH you can only unite England when starting as Normandy! :go:

[Elvain]

so, I'm York, conquerd Great Britain (btw. what else I need for England)you either need to be Normandy or have Holy Rome mapchanges installed (from them you can take only a quest unite-england, if you don't like the rest

[knez]

you either need to be Normandy or have Holy Rome mapchanges installed (from them you can take only a quest unite-england, if you don't like the rest

I'll stick with the patch for a while, no offense
i have a lot of thing to try yet :cool:

[Syagrius]

Yeah and the pope expelled them from the church for that!
There was also the crusade against the Cathars in southern France. Even if they were heretics they were nominally christians.

[Borsook]

Crusade against Bulgaria?!:silly:
Now why is that crusade against another christian country,makes no sence!All were against muslim countries and none against orthodox!
To add to egxamples mentioned above: Pope Alexander the 4th called for a crusade against Boleslaw Rogatka (one of the Polish princes of Silesia), who, and whose people, was catholic. The said crusade did not take place but it doesn't change the fact that there is absolutely no historical reason why a crusade against Bulgaria should not take place in the game.

[Traveller]

A bit late, but...
there were crusades against orthodox too. What about the 4th crusade against Constantinople?
The purpose of the 4th Crusade, as you know, was originally the usual target - reaching the Holy Lands. This time the Crusaders chose to travel by sea instead of the previous land routes. However, as they assembled at Venice, which was to supply them with the needed ships, the son of the blinded Isaac Angelos appeared with the request the Crusaders to help him take back his father's throne. Thus the 4th Crusade was diverted from its original target (Palestine) to help impose Isaac Angelos at the Byzantine throne. Only after that the tension (and the greed as well) between the Byzantines and the Crusaders caused the latter to besiege the city. But the 4th Crusade itself was initially aimed at the Holy Lands and not against Byzantium. Officially...
However, IIRC, Pope Gregorius IX did threaten the Bulgarian Tsar Ioan Asen II with excomunication (which is funny, since Ioan Asen had already returned to Orthodoxy then) and a Crusade, if Bulgaria continues supporting Nicea against the Latins. But he couldn't convince even the Hungarian King Bela IV to attack Ioan Asen, so there was no Crusade in the end... :rolleyes:

[Lord_Nick]

Don't forget that the 4th Crusade was also the first to attack fellow Catholics.

"The Siege of Zara (Croatian - Zadar) (November 10-November 23, 1202) was the first major action of the Fourth Crusade. It was the first attack against a Catholic city by Catholic crusaders."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siege_of_Zara


Zara was a warmup for Constantinople.