PC - better than recomended, game -slow

[Shyska]

At the begining of the game everything is normal, i get normal fps, but with bigger housing problems start ocuring - fps<=5!! :bash: How could this be?

My rig:
cpu: Athlon 64 3000+ (2.43GHz = 4000+)
ram: 1Gig RAM (dual 221x2 DDR400)
gpu: ATI x850XT with latest drivers (2007.01.18)
systems: Vista Ultimate & Windows XP SP2

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forgot to mention: everything in the game is on the lowest settings, no resource hungry apps in the background, maps are mid sized with 1-2 opponents.

[Phil Walker]

Welcome! Let me address your PS first, as I think it is the attachment issue you are having problems with. There is a way around this if you'll note my Sticky about problems with the game so you can provide attachments, just in two different manners. It would be better to have your DxDiag by one of these two ways, so we have a better idea.

One thing to note though. All Radeon X-series cards less than the 1000 and later models have had issues (experiences on other forums have shown this to be true). So, you might need to either roll back or uninstall the drivers you have and use an older version. In most cases the Catalyst 6.5 or even further back of the Catalyst 5.4 (depending on the card itself) have worked well for many. So, might be worth looking into. I'm not an ATI user myself, but have some I keep in touch with that have not only noted this but are or have used the drivers I've noted with success. If you need links I'll have to get them from my ATI-using specialists if needed.

As to background programs. That too might be debateable. It is not only those that can drain resources, but some smaller programs can cause conflicts. So, by noting the second set of instructions in my Sticky, how about your list so we can verify and better advise?!

Keep in mind, this is just what comes to mind with no real evidence of what your system itself has besides what you've noted. For better analysis, we will need your file and background program list. My Best!


Sincerely,
Phil

[Shyska]

As for drivers, I used 6.9C under XP and had no problems with other games. For Vista I first tried microsoft supplied ones and then downloaded ATI recommended drivers. Everything to similar effect, in fact those latest drivers gave me 1fps lower results.


dxdiag:
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System Information
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Time of this report: 2/18/2007, 15:07:50
Machine name: VOE
Operating System: Windows Vista™ Ultimate (6.0, Build 6000) (6000.vista_rtm.061101-2205)
Language: Lithuanian (Regional Setting: Lithuanian)
System Manufacturer: System manufacturer
System Model: System Product Name
BIOS: Phoenix - AwardBIOS v6.00PG
Processor: AMD Athlon(tm) 64 Processor 3000+, ~2.4GHz
Memory: 1022MB RAM
Page File: 1599MB used, 878MB available
Windows Dir: C:\Windows
DirectX Version: DirectX 10
DX Setup Parameters: Not found
DxDiag Version: 6.00.6000.16386 32bit Unicode

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DxDiag Notes
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Display Tab 1: No problems found.
Sound Tab 1: No problems found.
Sound Tab 2: No problems found.
Input Tab: No problems found.

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DirectX Debug Levels
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Direct3D: 0/4 (retail)
DirectDraw: 0/4 (retail)
DirectInput: 0/5 (retail)
DirectMusic: 0/5 (retail)
DirectPlay: 0/9 (retail)
DirectSound: 0/5 (retail)
DirectShow: 0/6 (retail)

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Display Devices
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Card name: RADEON X850 Series
Manufacturer: ATI Technologies Inc.
Chip type: RADEON X850 XT (0x5D52)
DAC type: Internal DAC(400MHz)
Device Key: Enum\PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_5D52&SUBSYS_03021002&REV_00
Display Memory: 510 MB
Dedicated Memory: 254 MB
Shared Memory: 255 MB
Current Mode: 1024 x 768 (32 bit) (100Hz)
Monitor: Generic PnP Monitor
Driver Name: atiumdag,atiumdva,atiumd64.dll,atiumd6a.dat,atitmm 64.dll
Driver Version: 7.14.0010.0464 (English)
DDI Version: 9Ex
Driver Attributes: Final Retail
Driver Date/Size: 1/19/2007 01:51:59, 2671104 bytes
WHQL Logo'd: n/a
WHQL Date Stamp: n/a
Device Identifier: {D7B71EE2-1E12-11CF-6272-0823A1C2CA35}
Vendor ID: 0x1002
Device ID: 0x5D52
SubSys ID: 0x03021002
Revision ID: 0x0000
Revision ID: 0x0000
Video Accel: ModeMPEG2_A ModeMPEG2_C
Deinterlace Caps: {6E8329FF-B642-418B-BCF0-BCB6591E255F}: Format(In/Out)=(YUY2,YUY2) Frames(Prev/Fwd/Back)=(0,0,1) Caps=VideoProcess_YUV2RGB VideoProcess_StretchX VideoProcess_StretchY DeinterlaceTech_PixelAdaptive
{335AA36E-7884-43A4-9C91-7F87FAF3E37E}: Format(In/Out)=(YUY2,YUY2) Frames(Prev/Fwd/Back)=(0,0,0) Caps=VideoProcess_YUV2RGB VideoProcess_StretchX VideoProcess_StretchY DeinterlaceTech_BOBVerticalStretch
{5A54A0C9-C7EC-4BD9-8EDE-F3C75DC4393B}: Format(In/Out)=(YUY2,YUY2) Frames(Prev/Fwd/Back)=(0,0,0) Caps=VideoProcess_YUV2RGB VideoProcess_StretchX VideoProcess_StretchY
{6E8329FF-B642-418B-BCF0-BCB6591E255F}: Format(In/Out)=(UYVY,UYVY) Frames(Prev/Fwd/Back)=(0,0,1) Caps=VideoProcess_YUV2RGB VideoProcess_StretchX VideoProcess_StretchY DeinterlaceTech_PixelAdaptive
{335AA36E-7884-43A4-9C91-7F87FAF3E37E}: Format(In/Out)=(UYVY,UYVY) Frames(Prev/Fwd/Back)=(0,0,0) Caps=VideoProcess_YUV2RGB VideoProcess_StretchX VideoProcess_StretchY DeinterlaceTech_BOBVerticalStretch
{5A54A0C9-C7EC-4BD9-8EDE-F3C75DC4393B}: Format(In/Out)=(UYVY,UYVY) Frames(Prev/Fwd/Back)=(0,0,0) Caps=VideoProcess_YUV2RGB VideoProcess_StretchX VideoProcess_StretchY
{3C5323C1-6FB7-44F5-9081-056BF2EE449D}: Format(In/Out)=(NV12,0x3231564e) Frames(Prev/Fwd/Back)=(0,0,2) Caps=VideoProcess_YUV2RGB VideoProcess_StretchX VideoProcess_StretchY DeinterlaceTech_PixelAdaptive
{552C0DAD-CCBC-420B-83C8-74943CF9F1A6}: Format(In/Out)=(NV12,0x3231564e) Frames(Prev/Fwd/Back)=(0,0,2) Caps=VideoProcess_YUV2RGB VideoProcess_StretchX VideoProcess_StretchY DeinterlaceTech_PixelAdaptive
{6E8329FF-B642-418B-BCF0-BCB6591E255F}: Format(In/Out)=(NV12,0x3231564e) Frames(Prev/Fwd/Back)=(0,0,1) Caps=VideoProcess_YUV2RGB VideoProcess_StretchX VideoProcess_StretchY DeinterlaceTech_PixelAdaptive
{335AA36E-7884-43A4-9C91-7F87FAF3E37E}: Format(In/Out)=(NV12,0x3231564e) Frames(Prev/Fwd/Back)=(0,0,0) Caps=VideoProcess_YUV2RGB VideoProcess_StretchX VideoProcess_StretchY DeinterlaceTech_BOBVerticalStretch
{5A54A0C9-C7EC-4BD9-8EDE-F3C75DC4393B}: Format(In/Out)=(NV12,0x3231564e) Frames(Prev/Fwd/Back)=(0,0,0) Caps=VideoProcess_YUV2RGB VideoProcess_StretchX VideoProcess_StretchY
DDraw Status: Enabled
D3D Status: Enabled
AGP Status: Enabled

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Sound Devices
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Description: Speakers (Realtek AC'97 Audio)
Default Sound Playback: Yes
Default Voice Playback: Yes
Hardware ID: PCI\VEN_10DE&DEV_0059&SUBSYS_812A1043&REV_A2
Manufacturer ID: 1
Product ID: 100
Type: WDM
Driver Name: ALCWDM64.SYS
Driver Version: 5.10.0000.6120 (English)
Driver Attributes: Final Retail
WHQL Logo'd: n/a
Date and Size: 6/28/2006 00:45:12, 3274240 bytes
Other Files:
Driver Provider: Realtek Semiconductor Corp.
HW Accel Level: Basic
Cap Flags: 0x0
Min/Max Sample Rate: 0, 0
Static/Strm HW Mix Bufs: 0, 0
Static/Strm HW 3D Bufs: 0, 0
HW Memory: 0
Voice Management: No
EAX(tm) 2.0 Listen/Src: No, No
I3DL2(tm) Listen/Src: No, No
Sensaura(tm) ZoomFX(tm): No

Description: Digital Output (Realtek AC'97 Audio)
Default Sound Playback: No
Default Voice Playback: No
Hardware ID:
Manufacturer ID:
Product ID:
Type: WDM
Driver Name: {0.0.0.00000000}.{50c0f375-c92d-4d25-92d2-6c47af28f65d}
Driver Version: ()
Driver Attributes: Final Retail
WHQL Logo'd: n/a
Date and Size: , 0 bytes
Other Files:
Driver Provider:
HW Accel Level: Basic
Cap Flags: 0x0
Min/Max Sample Rate: 0, 0
Static/Strm HW Mix Bufs: 0, 0
Static/Strm HW 3D Bufs: 0, 0
HW Memory: 0
Voice Management: No
EAX(tm) 2.0 Listen/Src: No, No
I3DL2(tm) Listen/Src: No, No
Sensaura(tm) ZoomFX(tm): No

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Sound Capture Devices
---------------------
Description: Microphone (Realtek AC'97 Audio)
Default Sound Capture: Yes
Default Voice Capture: Yes
Driver Name: ALCWDM64.SYS
Driver Version: 5.10.0000.6120 (English)
Driver Attributes: Final Retail
Date and Size: 6/28/2006 00:45:12, 3274240 bytes
Cap Flags: 0x0
Format Flags: 0x0

Description: Line In (Realtek AC'97 Audio)
Default Sound Capture: No
Default Voice Capture: No
Driver Name: ALCWDM64.SYS
Driver Version: 5.10.0000.6120 (English)
Driver Attributes: Final Retail
Date and Size: 6/28/2006 00:45:12, 3274240 bytes
Cap Flags: 0x0
Format Flags: 0x0

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DirectInput Devices
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Device Name: Mouse
Attached: 1
Controller ID: n/a
Vendor/Product ID: n/a
FF Driver: n/a

Device Name: Keyboard
Attached: 1
Controller ID: n/a
Vendor/Product ID: n/a
FF Driver: n/a

Device Name: USB UPS
Attached: 1
Controller ID: 0x0
Vendor/Product ID: 0x06DA, 0x0003
FF Driver: n/a

Poll w/ Interrupt: No

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USB Devices
-----------
+ USB Root Hub
| Vendor/Product ID: 0x10DE, 0x005A
| Matching Device ID: usb\root_hub
| Service: usbhub
|
+-+ USB Human Interface Device
| | Vendor/Product ID: 0x06DA, 0x0003
| | Location: Port_#0004.Hub_#0001
| | Matching Device ID: usb\class_03
| | Service: HidUsb
| |
| +-+ HID-compliant device
| | | Vendor/Product ID: 0x06DA, 0x0003
| | | Matching Device ID: hid_device

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Gameport Devices
----------------

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PS/2 Devices
------------
+ Standard 101/102-Key or Microsoft Natural PS/2 Keyboard
| Matching Device ID: *pnp0303
| Service: i8042prt
|
+ Terminal Server Keyboard Driver
| Matching Device ID: root\rdp_kbd
| Upper Filters: kbdclass
| Service: TermDD
|
+ PS/2 Compatible Mouse
| Matching Device ID: *pnp0f13
| Service: i8042prt
|
+ Terminal Server Mouse Driver
| Matching Device ID: root\rdp_mou
| Upper Filters: mouclass
| Service: TermDD

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Disk & DVD/CD-ROM Drives
------------------------
Drive: C:
Free Space: 9.9 GB
Total Space: 25.0 GB
File System: NTFS
Model: MAXTOR 6L040J2 ATA Device

Drive: D:
Free Space: 29.9 GB
Total Space: 57.2 GB
File System: NTFS
Model: MAXTOR 6L040J2 ATA Device

Drive: E:
Free Space: 3.1 GB
Total Space: 36.1 GB
File System: NTFS
Model: Maxtor 6Y120P0 ATA Device

Drive: F:
Free Space: 19.4 GB
Total Space: 35.0 GB
File System: NTFS
Model: MAXTOR 6L040J2 ATA Device

Drive: G:
Free Space: 0.5 GB
Total Space: 2.0 GB
File System: NTFS
Model: Maxtor 6Y120P0 ATA Device

Drive: H:
Model: LITE-ON DVDRW SHW-16H5S ATA Device
Driver: c:\windows\system32\drivers\cdrom.sys, 6.00.6000.16386 (Lithuanian), , 0 bytes

Drive: I:
Model: PHILIPS CDRW5224 ATA Device
Driver: c:\windows\system32\drivers\cdrom.sys, 6.00.6000.16386 (Lithuanian), , 0 bytes

Drive: J:
Model: OI3353H KMX065H SCSI CdRom Device
Driver: c:\windows\system32\drivers\cdrom.sys, 6.00.6000.16386 (Lithuanian), , 0 bytes

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System Devices
--------------
Name: NVIDIA nForce4 HyperTransport Bridge
Device ID: PCI\VEN_10DE&DEV_005E&SUBSYS_815A1043&REV_A3\3&2411E6FE&0&00
Driver: n/a

Name: PCI standard PCI-to-PCI bridge
Device ID: PCI\VEN_10DE&DEV_005D&SUBSYS_00000000&REV_A3\3&2411E6FE&0&70
Driver: n/a

Name: PCI standard PCI-to-PCI bridge
Device ID: PCI\VEN_10DE&DEV_005D&SUBSYS_00000000&REV_A3\3&2411E6FE&0&68
Driver: n/a

Name: PCI standard PCI-to-PCI bridge
Device ID: PCI\VEN_10DE&DEV_005D&SUBSYS_00000000&REV_A3\3&2411E6FE&0&60
Driver: n/a

Name: PCI standard PCI-to-PCI bridge
Device ID: PCI\VEN_10DE&DEV_005D&SUBSYS_00000000&REV_A3\3&2411E6FE&0&58
Driver: n/a

Name: PCI standard PCI-to-PCI bridge
Device ID: PCI\VEN_10DE&DEV_005C&SUBSYS_00000000&REV_A2\3&2411E6FE&0&48
Driver: n/a

Name: Standard Enhanced PCI to USB Host Controller
Device ID: PCI\VEN_10DE&DEV_005B&SUBSYS_815A1043&REV_A3\3&2411E6FE&0&11
Driver: n/a

Name: Standard OpenHCD USB Host Controller
Device ID: PCI\VEN_10DE&DEV_005A&SUBSYS_815A1043&REV_A2\3&2411E6FE&0&10
Driver: n/a

Name: Realtek AC'97 Audio
Device ID: PCI\VEN_10DE&DEV_0059&SUBSYS_812A1043&REV_A2\3&2411E6FE&0&20
Driver: n/a

Name: NVIDIA nForce Networking Controller
Device ID: PCI\VEN_10DE&DEV_0057&SUBSYS_81411043&REV_A3\3&2411E6FE&0&50
Driver: n/a

Name: Standard Dual Channel PCI IDE Controller
Device ID: PCI\VEN_10DE&DEV_0055&SUBSYS_815A1043&REV_F3\3&2411E6FE&0&40
Driver: n/a

Name: Standard Dual Channel PCI IDE Controller
Device ID: PCI\VEN_10DE&DEV_0054&SUBSYS_815A1043&REV_F3\3&2411E6FE&0&38
Driver: n/a

Name: Standard Dual Channel PCI IDE Controller
Device ID: PCI\VEN_10DE&DEV_0053&SUBSYS_815A1043&REV_F2\3&2411E6FE&0&30
Driver: n/a

Name: NVIDIA nForce PCI System Management
Device ID: PCI\VEN_10DE&DEV_0052&SUBSYS_815A1043&REV_A2\3&2411E6FE&0&09
Driver: n/a

Name: PCI standard ISA bridge
Device ID: PCI\VEN_10DE&DEV_0050&SUBSYS_815A1043&REV_A3\3&2411E6FE&0&08
Driver: n/a

Name: AMD Miscellaneous Configuration
Device ID: PCI\VEN_1022&DEV_1103&SUBSYS_00000000&REV_00\3&2411E6FE&0&C3
Driver: n/a

Name: AMD DRAM and HyperTransport(tm) Trace Mode Configuration
Device ID: PCI\VEN_1022&DEV_1102&SUBSYS_00000000&REV_00\3&2411E6FE&0&C2
Driver: n/a

Name: AMD Address Map Configuration
Device ID: PCI\VEN_1022&DEV_1101&SUBSYS_00000000&REV_00\3&2411E6FE&0&C1
Driver: n/a

Name: AMD HyperTransport(tm) Configuration
Device ID: PCI\VEN_1022&DEV_1100&SUBSYS_00000000&REV_00\3&2411E6FE&0&C0
Driver: n/a

Name: RADEON X850 Series - Secondary
Device ID: PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_5D72&SUBSYS_03031002&REV_00\4&243D7BD0&0&0170
Driver: n/a

Name: RADEON X850 Series
Device ID: PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_5D52&SUBSYS_03021002&REV_00\4&243D7BD0&0&0070
Driver: n/a

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DirectShow Filters
------------------

DirectShow Filters:
WMAudio Decoder DMO,0x00800800,1,1,,
WMAPro over S/PDIF DMO,0x00600800,1,1,,
WMSpeech Decoder DMO,0x00600800,1,1,,
MP3 Decoder DMO,0x00600800,1,1,,
Mpeg4s Decoder DMO,0x00800001,1,1,,
WMV Screen decoder DMO,0x00600800,1,1,,
WMVideo Decoder DMO,0x00800001,1,1,,
Mpeg43 Decoder DMO,0x00800001,1,1,,
Mpeg4 Decoder DMO,0x00800001,1,1,,
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Nero Scene Detector 2,0x00200000,2,0,NeSceneDetector.ax,3.02.0000.0015
DV Muxer,0x00400000,0,0,,6.06.6000.16386
Nero Digital Audio Decoder,0x00600000,1,1,NeAudio.ax,3.02.0000.0015
Color Space Converter,0x00400001,1,1,,6.06.6000.16386
WM ASF Reader,0x00400000,0,0,,11.00.6000.6324
Screen Capture filter,0x00200000,0,1,wmpsrcwp.dll,11.00.6000.6324
AVI Splitter,0x00600000,1,1,,6.06.6000.16386
VGA 16 Color Ditherer,0x00400000,1,1,,6.06.6000.16386
Microsoft MPEG-2 Video Decoder,0x005fffff,2,4,msmpeg2vdec.dll,11.00.5840. 6324
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StreamBufferSink,0x00200000,0,0,sbe.dll,6.06.6000. 16386
MJPEG Decompressor,0x00600000,1,1,,6.06.6000.16386
MPEG-I Stream Splitter,0x00600000,1,2,,6.06.6000.16386
SAMI (CC) Parser,0x00400000,1,1,,6.06.6000.16386
VBI Codec,0x00600000,1,4,VBICodec.ax,6.06.6000.16386
Nero Audio Stream Renderer,0x00200000,1,0,NeRender.ax,3.02.0000.0015
MPEG-2 Splitter,0x005fffff,1,0,mpg2splt.ax,6.06.6000.1638 6
Microsoft MPEG-2 Video Encoder,0x00200000,2,0,msmpeg2enc.dll,11.00.6000.6 324
Nero Digital AVC Audio Encoder,0x00200000,1,2,NeNDAud.ax,3.02.0000.0015
Nero Digital AVC File Writer,0x00200000,1,0,NeNDMux.ax,3.02.0000.0015
Nero Digital AVC Null Renderer,0x00200000,1,0,NeNDMux.ax,3.02.0000.0015
Nero Digital AVC Muxer,0x00200000,2,1,NeNDMux.ax,3.02.0000.0015
Nero Digital AVC Video Enc,0x00200000,1,2,,
Nero QuickTime(tm) Video Decoder,0x00400000,1,1,NeQTDec.ax,3.02.0000.0015
Internal Script Command Renderer,0x00800001,1,0,,6.06.6000.16386
MPEG Audio Decoder,0x03680001,1,1,,6.06.6000.16386
Nero Format Converter,0x00200000,1,1,NeroFormatConv.ax,3.02.00 00.0015
DV Splitter,0x00600000,1,2,,6.06.6000.16386
Video Mixing Renderer 9,0x00200000,1,0,,6.06.6000.16386
Nero Photo Source,0x00200000,0,1,NePhotoSource.ax,3.02.0000.0 015
Nero Video Analyzer,0x00200000,2,0,NeVideoAnalyzer.ax,3.02.00 00.0015
Nero ES Video Reader,0x00600000,0,1,NDParser.ax,3.02.0000.0015
Microsoft MPEG-2 Encoder,0x00200000,2,1,msmpeg2enc.dll,11.00.6000.6 324
Nero Audio CD Filter,0x00200000,0,1,NeAudCD.ax,3.02.0000.0015
ACM Wrapper,0x00600000,1,1,,6.06.6000.16386
Video Renderer,0x00800001,1,0,,6.06.6000.16386
Nero DVD Navigator,0x00600000,0,4,NeDVD.ax,3.02.0000.0015
MPEG-2 Video Stream Analyzer,0x00200000,0,0,sbe.dll,6.06.6000.16386
Line 21 Decoder,0x00600000,1,1,,6.06.6000.16386
Video Port Manager,0x00600000,2,1,,6.06.6000.16386
Video Renderer,0x00400000,1,0,,6.06.6000.16386
Nero Audio Sample Renderer,0x00200000,1,0,NeRender.ax,3.02.0000.0015
Nero Vcd Navigator,0x00600000,0,2,NeVcd.ax,3.02.0000.0015
Nero Audio Processor,0x00200000,1,1,NeAudioConv.ax,3.02.0000. 0015
WM ASF Writer,0x00400000,0,0,,11.00.6000.6324
Nero Mpeg2 Encoder,0x00200000,2,1,NeVCR.ax,3.02.0000.0015
VBI Surface Allocator,0x00600000,1,1,vbisurf.ax,6.00.6000.1638 6
Nero Video Stream Renderer,0x00200000,1,0,NeRender.ax,3.02.0000.0015
File writer,0x00200000,1,0,,6.06.6000.16386
Nero PS Muxer,0x00200000,1,1,NePSMuxer.ax,3.02.0000.0015
DVD Navigator,0x00200000,0,3,,6.06.6000.16386
Overlay Mixer2,0x00200000,1,1,,6.06.6000.16386
Nero Splitter,0x00600000,1,3,NeSplitter.ax,3.02.0000.00 15
AVI Draw,0x00600064,9,1,,6.06.6000.16386
Nero File Source / Splitter,0x00600000,0,3,NeFSource.ax,3.02.0000.001 5
Microsoft MPEG-2 Audio Encoder,0x00200000,2,0,msmpeg2enc.dll,11.00.6000.6 324
WST Pager,0x00800000,1,1,WSTPager.ax,6.06.6000.16386
MPEG-2 Demultiplexer,0x00600000,1,1,mpg2splt.ax,6.06.6000 .16386
DV Video Decoder,0x00800000,1,1,,6.06.6000.16386
Nero Video Processor,0x00200000,1,1,NeroVideoProc.ax,3.02.000 0.0015
Nero Video Decoder,0x00600000,2,2,NeVideo.ax,3.02.0000.0015
SampleGrabber,0x00200000,1,1,qedit.dll,6.06.6000.1 6386
Null Renderer,0x00200000,1,0,qedit.dll,6.06.6000.16386
MPEG-2 Sections and Tables,0x005fffff,1,0,Mpeg2Data.ax,6.06.6000.16386
Microsoft AC3 Encoder,0x00200000,1,1,msac3enc.dll,11.00.6000.632 4
StreamBufferSource,0x00200000,0,0,sbe.dll,6.06.600 0.16386
Smart Tee,0x00200000,1,2,,6.06.6000.16386
Overlay Mixer,0x00200000,0,0,,6.06.6000.16386
Nero Scene Detector,0x00200000,1,0,NeSceneDetector.ax,3.02.00 00.0015
AVI Decompressor,0x00600000,1,1,,6.06.6000.16386
AVI/WAV File Source,0x00400000,0,2,,6.06.6000.16386
Wave Parser,0x00400000,1,1,,6.06.6000.16386
MIDI Parser,0x00400000,1,1,,6.06.6000.16386
Multi-file Parser,0x00400000,1,1,,6.06.6000.16386
File stream renderer,0x00400000,1,1,,6.06.6000.16386
Nero File Source,0x00200000,0,1,NeFileSrc.ax,3.02.0000.0015
Nero QuickTime(tm) Audio Decoder,0x00400000,1,1,NeQTDec.ax,3.02.0000.0015
Nero File Source (Async.),0x00400000,0,1,NeFileSourceAsync.ax,3.02. 0000.0015
Nero DVD Decoder,0x00600000,2,2,NeVideo.ax,3.02.0000.0015
Microsoft MPEG-1/DD Audio Decoder,0x005fffff,1,1,msmpeg2adec.dll,11.00.5840. 6324
Nero Digital Parser,0x00600000,0,3,NDParser.ax,3.02.0000.0015
AVI Mux,0x00200000,1,0,,6.06.6000.16386
Line 21 Decoder 2,0x00600002,1,1,,6.06.6000.16386
File Source (Async.),0x00400000,0,1,,6.06.6000.16386
File Source (URL),0x00400000,0,1,,6.06.6000.16386
Nero Frame Capture,0x00200000,1,1,NeCapture.ax,3.02.0000.0015
Nero Video Sample Renderer,0x00200000,1,0,NeRender.ax,3.02.0000.0015
Infinite Pin Tee Filter,0x00200000,1,1,,6.06.6000.16386
Nero DV Splitter,0x00200000,1,2,NeDVSplitter.ax,3.02.0000. 0015
Enhanced Video Renderer,0x00200000,1,0,evr.dll,5.00.0001.0001
BDA MPEG2 Transport Information Filter,0x00200000,2,0,psisrndr.ax,6.06.6000.16386
MPEG Video Decoder,0x40000001,1,1,,6.06.6000.16386

WDM Streaming Tee/Splitter Devices:
Tee/Sink-to-Sink Converter,0x00200000,1,1,,6.00.6000.16386

WDM Streaming Data Transforms:
Microsoft Kernel DRM Audio Descrambler,0x00200000,1,1,,6.00.6000.16386

Video Compressors:
WMVideo8 Encoder DMO,0x00600800,1,1,,
WMVideo9 Encoder DMO,0x00600800,1,1,,
MSScreen 9 encoder DMO,0x00600800,1,1,,
DV Video Encoder,0x00200000,0,0,,6.06.6000.16386
MJPEG Compressor,0x00200000,0,0,,6.06.6000.16386
Nero Digital AVC Video Enc,0x00200000,1,2,NeNDVid.ax,3.02.0000.0015
Cinepak Codec by Radius,0x00200000,1,1,,6.06.6000.16386
Fraps Video Decompressor,0x00200000,1,1,,6.06.6000.16386
Intel IYUV codec,0x00200000,1,1,,6.06.6000.16386
Intel IYUV codec,0x00200000,1,1,,6.06.6000.16386
Microsoft RLE,0x00200000,1,1,,6.06.6000.16386
Microsoft Video 1,0x00200000,1,1,,6.06.6000.16386
VP60® Simple Profile ,0x00200000,1,1,,6.06.6000.16386
VP61® Advanced Profile,0x00200000,1,1,,6.06.6000.16386

Audio Compressors:
WM Speech Encoder DMO,0x00600800,1,1,,
WMAudio Encoder DMO,0x00600800,1,1,,
IMA ADPCM,0x00200000,1,1,,6.06.6000.16386
PCM,0x00200000,1,1,,6.06.6000.16386
Microsoft ADPCM,0x00200000,1,1,,6.06.6000.16386
GSM 6.10,0x00200000,1,1,,6.06.6000.16386
CCITT A-Law,0x00200000,1,1,,6.06.6000.16386
CCITT u-Law,0x00200000,1,1,,6.06.6000.16386
MPEG Layer-3,0x00200000,1,1,,6.06.6000.16386

Audio Capture Sources:
Microphone (Realtek AC'97 Audio,0x00200000,0,0,,6.06.6000.16386
Line In (Realtek AC'97 Audio),0x00200000,0,0,,6.06.6000.16386

Midi Renderers:
Default MidiOut Device,0x00800000,1,0,,6.06.6000.16386
Microsoft GS Wavetable Synth,0x00200000,1,0,,6.06.6000.16386

WDM Streaming Capture Devices:
Realtek AC97 Audio,0x00200000,3,3,,6.00.6000.16386

WDM Streaming Rendering Devices:
Realtek AC97 Audio,0x00200000,3,3,,6.00.6000.16386

BDA Network Providers:
Microsoft ATSC Network Provider,0x00200000,0,1,MSDvbNP.ax,6.06.6000.16386
Microsoft DVBC Network Provider,0x00200000,0,1,MSDvbNP.ax,6.06.6000.16386
Microsoft DVBS Network Provider,0x00200000,0,1,MSDvbNP.ax,6.06.6000.16386
Microsoft DVBT Network Provider,0x00200000,0,1,MSDvbNP.ax,6.06.6000.16386
Microsoft Network Provider,0x00200000,0,1,MSNP.ax,6.06.6000.16386

Multi-Instance Capable VBI Codecs:
VBI Codec,0x00600000,1,4,VBICodec.ax,6.06.6000.16386

BDA Transport Information Renderers:
BDA MPEG2 Transport Information Filter,0x00600000,2,0,psisrndr.ax,6.06.6000.16386
MPEG-2 Sections and Tables,0x00600000,1,0,Mpeg2Data.ax,6.06.6000.16386

BDA CP/CA Filters:
Decrypt/Tag,0x00600000,1,0,EncDec.dll,6.06.6000.16386
Encrypt/Tag,0x00200000,0,0,EncDec.dll,6.06.6000.16386
XDS Codec,0x00200000,0,0,EncDec.dll,6.06.6000.16386

WDM Streaming Communication Transforms:
Tee/Sink-to-Sink Converter,0x00200000,1,1,,6.00.6000.16386

Audio Renderers:
Speakers (Realtek AC'97 Audio),0x00200000,1,0,,6.06.6000.16386
Default DirectSound Device,0x00800000,1,0,,6.06.6000.16386
Default WaveOut Device,0x00200000,1,0,,6.06.6000.16386
DirectSound: Digital Output (Realtek AC'97 Audio),0x00200000,1,0,,6.06.6000.16386
DirectSound: Speakers (Realtek AC'97 Audio),0x00200000,1,0,,6.06.6000.16386



pslist:
c:\pslist>pslist.exe /?

pslist v1.28 - Sysinternals PsList
Copyright ® 2000-2004 Mark Russinovich
Sysinternals

Usage: pslist.exe [-d][-m][-x][-t][-s [n] [-r n] [\\computer [-u username][-p
-d Show thread detail.
-m Show memory detail.
-x Show processes, memory information and threads.
-t Show process tree.
-s [n] Run in task-manager mode, for optional seconds specified.
Press Escape to abort.
-r n Task-manager mode refresh rate in seconds (default is 1).
\\computer Specifies remote computer.
-u Optional user name for remote login.
-p Optional password for remote login. If you don't present
on the command line pslist will prompt you for it if necessary.
name Show information about processes that begin with the name
specified.
-e Exact match the process name.
pid Show information about specified process.

All memory values are displayed in KB.
Abbreviation key:
Pri Priority
Thd Number of Threads
Hnd Number of Handles
VM Virtual Memory
WS Working Set
Priv Private Virtual Memory
Priv Pk Private Virtual Memory Peak
Faults Page Faults
NonP Non-Paged Pool
Page Paged Pool
Cswtch Context Switches


c:\pslist>pslist.exe -m

pslist v1.28 - Sysinternals PsList
Copyright ® 2000-2004 Mark Russinovich
Sysinternals

Process memory detail for VOE:

Name Pid VM WS Priv Priv Pk Faults NonP Page
Idle 0 0 24 0 0 0 0 0
System 4 10508 808 0 0 31181 0 0
smss 428 5844 72 388 452 441 1 9
csrss 496 112752 1864 2308 2324 4268 10 257
wininit 548 56188 96 1576 1888 1687 7 115
csrss 556 119312 8504 2892 8972 38559 10 256
winlogon 592 67752 2040 2392 3588 3547 7 127
services 640 55920 3700 3632 5668 23633 14 119
lsass 652 69988 1648 4516 5200 17857 24 154
lsm 660 42148 2360 3140 3364 3317 8 78
svchost 824 58948 2988 3328 3604 204458 8 117
svchost 872 52696 4056 4760 4936 5365 15 108
svchost 920 96068 5196 17100 47752 326034 21 155
Ati2evxx 1020 61036 96 1532 1636 1307 5 114
svchost 368 90724 6888 14800 15852 9918 25 144
svchost 320 178256 62556 71172 99332 109988 34 170
svchost 488 431504 14132 28344 32064 44735 76 290
audiodg 748 50764 12344 11644 12624 26621 7 80
SLsvc 1032 55104 2848 8136 8240 50608 6 86
svchost 1060 107840 5140 8808 8988 7714 43 191
svchost 1220 376428 5688 16860 16972 10993 32 176
Ati2evxx 1364 69140 652 2204 2300 2250 7 121
spoolsv 1432 116260 1792 7136 7508 5117 18 199
svchost 1456 108840 5588 18684 48804 33840 33 144
MDM 1792 73104 2596 2336 2396 2365 8 124
taskeng 1996 114708 4116 10868 11204 7342 18 203
dwm 1584 184336 35888 69352 84144 236566 14 214
DUC20 1516 78680 2900 2560 2616 4321 11 130
explorer 1616 276996 37860 39360 50968 195253 54 471
svchost 2160 43980 104 2932 2984 1895 9 81
svchost 2212 72452 100 4120 4228 2107 9 123
svchost 2260 18996 492 916 968 854 4 33
SearchIndexer 2296 139812 10532 35108 40120 23287 25 191
taskeng 2784 64960 1580 2360 2440 2675 9 122
MSASCui 3060 120500 3724 10068 10160 8440 26 238
daemon 2172 74640 508 1960 2372 2521 7 136
fraps 1804 124264 844 13996 34336 10979 15 197
SqlCMD tray 1892 560116 1292 30596 31132 8223 21 283
conime 2824 53844 2152 1128 1528 1790 4 102
wuauclt 3236 83660 92 3004 3064 1748 6 161
mirc 3480 90892 5016 3884 4292 13972 15 155
firefox 3840 234560 81352 85760 88804 267634 29 205
taskmgr 3972 93916 11392 4584 7492 44351 9 176
nod32krn 3864 99920 36552 33504 35040 35663 13 94
cmd 3656 63524 6140 2768 4000 4714 5 119
svchost 1040 32980 3412 1224 1276 887 4 64
pslist 2484 69068 5556 2164 2164 1414 7 124

my ussual startup processes consists of:

Windows defender
skype (not running atm)
daemon tools
fraps
startCCC (ati catalyst center monitoring)
nod32 (not running atm, nod32 antivirus)
catalyst control center (ati catalyst center)
SqlCMD tray (my own small tray program for SQL server management, server is not running atm too)


--
Maybe I'm just over reacting, could it be the game becomes so slow at later stages for everyone?

[Phil Walker]

No, you aren't overreacting at all. What I'm surprised with is you got as far as you did. Now that I have your files things are clearer.

As I noted, I'm no ATI user, so I'm just going to draw a comparison as I know this is the case with nVidia. For Vista, there are other drivers and you should use those rather than 2000/XP versions. I've not seen a Vista system using ATI cards, so this is a concern that ATI even has Vista-approved drivers. Not saying this is the case, as I'm not an ATI user, but might be worth finding out. I will say Catalysts from 6.6 through 6.9 were known to be problematic and that was an ATI issue as many games had probelms with those versions.

Save for your video drivers and Vista compatibilty, there is one other thing in your DxDiag. Disconnect that microphone at least while playing. Many of the newer games nowadays don't allow for any sort of add-on devices as in many cases the ports are accessed by the game and if something else is using it, you will have trouble.

Yet, this is not the worst thing (as it's now clear by your background programs). Get RID of Daemon Tools! This game, among others, uses a copy-protection program that searches for both virtual drives as well as the programs that creates them. Once either or both are found, that IT! Game will no longer work properly, if at all, while the drives and creators are even on the system, active or not. I'm not going to tell you what to do, but you have a choice. The game OR Daemon Tools. You cannot have both and expect this game among many others to work. So, it's up to you what you do from here as once I saw that program in your startup, I did not look further, so there could be other things as well. Sorry to be the bearer of bad news, but virtual driver creators and the drives they create ALL have copy-protection bypass routines built into them, so this is most likely your biggest problem and you must choose from here what to do as I cannot help further as long as you have THAT on your system.


Sincerely,
Phil

[Dobber]

I notice the large size of the amount of the pagefile that was being used, 1599mb, that is a lot of virtual memory being used! Is it because of the Daemon tools, that much is being used?

[Phil Walker]

More than just that Dobber, but does account for part of it. Vista is a worse hog than XP is and save for the basic Vista package, 1GB for just the system to operate is required. Much like XP, Vista too has to refresh and swap files. Background programs are also taken into the equation. Daemon Tools and its virtual routines are most likely make up most of the rest of the difference. So, you did note only part of the issues with Daemon besides what I noted as well.

Sincerely,
Phil

[Dobber]

So with a machine running Vista, you really should have 2gb of ram if you are planning to play any games! :biggrin:

And as we know the requirements listed for playing 1701 were drawn up without Vista requirements figured into the equation. Thus those minimum's cannot be relied upon if you have Vista.

[Phil Walker]

Noted and correctly. Vista only requires 512MB for basic and 1GB for all other versions, but pagefile IS a factor. Not only that, but Vista DOES have issues with drivers. Many aren't using what the card/GPU manufacturers approve and even those are questionable at peresent. Only games not yet in development right now will have Vista support. This does not mean Vista won't work, but some hardware and software issues will need to be resolved to get any game of now and prior to work properly. Vista also has a LONG way to go before being bug-free.

Sincerely,
Phil

[Rnett]

And make sure it's connected to the internet so Billy Boy (http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/7f/Bill_Gates_2004_cr.jpg) can check up on you....:dwink:

[Phil Walker]

HOW did we got off on this tangent?! From the start, the user already has Vista! So, what was the point of noting this m'larkey in this thread? Does not seem to contribute to the topic much, IMNSHO. Both of you are talking furute and WE (the user, Dobber, and myself) are talking the NOW! The true points were the user has problems and Dobber and I pointed out the greatest cause IS/WAS Daemon Tools being on the system. The rest is totally unnecessary! ACK!!!

Sincerely,
Phil

[Rnett]

You're probably right Phil, but I believe the Vista conversation started here:More than just that Dobber, but does account for part of it. Vista is a worse hog than XP is and save for the basic Vista package, 1GB for just the system to operate is required. Much like XP, Vista too has to refresh and swap files. Background programs are also taken into the equation. Daemon Toos and its virtual routines are most likely make up most of the rest of the difference. So, you did note only part of the issues with Daemon besides what I noted as well.

Sincerely,
Phil

[Phil Walker]

WHERE were YOU, Rnett :eek: :biggrin: ?! Seems it first came up in the opening post, and my first reply thereafter, IIRC. The thread started with the user noting he had Vista and I noted the problems relating to it seems. The post you quoted elaborate on the issues and having DT along with Vista in explaining myself thoroughly. :angel: :cheers:

Sincerely,
Phil

[Dobber]

One thing we have failed to mention is the game was not optimized to run on Vista. The requirements list WIN 2000 or WIN XP, no mention of Vista! Although it will run on Vista there are no guarantees of top performance!

[Phil Walker]

Correct Dobber! Not noted directly but hinted to in Post #8 (http://forum.sunflowers.de/showpost.php?p=295730&postcount=8) of this thread. We get the same kind of thread on the TM boards which it is stated also that only 2000 and XP Home and Pro are supported. Not XP x64 or Media Center either for Caesar 4, but some have it running on those systems.

As you and I have both stated, this does not mean it won't run, but no support nor guarantees it will or at its potential.


Sincerely,
Phil

[slindenau]

Edit: allright, sorted that little issue of me out :).

[Phil Walker]

:angry: Special?! HELL NO! The answer is simple and addressed in your PMs. :angry:

Sincerely,
Phil

[Dobber]

I think I was saying something about this here:

http://forum.sunflowers.de/showpost.php?p=239738&postcount=1

:eek: :angry: :sad:



Jim, I see nothing in that post that says anything about 2gb of ram as does the contents of the post you quoted.

And the post you quoted was made in reference to the person having only 1 gb ram and having lag problems with the game while running Vista.
--
Yes, it is In Your Not So Humble Opinion.

It got here because Dobber (bless him for being the pirate he is) made a post which made it sound as if the fact that Vista is a memory and storage hog was a new and/or recent discovery. That fact is not new as evidenced by my 24 Nov 2006 post.

What number do we call to invoke "the Thread Topic Police?"[/FONT][/SIZE] :sad:

Nobody said that fact was new and here it was being addressed in the context of the problem the thread starter was having and being mentioned out of the apparent necessity of having more ram to play the game under Vista and not out of necessity to have more ram to run Vista.

[Shyska]

Thank You for replies. As soon as I get some spare time, I'll try to reinstall my XP copy and see how well does Anno perform on fresh copy wiht right set of video drives. Shall post the result, if anyone would be interested :)

[LadyH]

... Shall post the result, if anyone would be interested :)
I will wait :go:

[Dobber]

Of course we are interested!:gogo: