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We're all arguing for historical correctness in the game. I know this won't have an impact on how the game will look like as it's to late, but I'm curious what people think.
And since there's been some weak postin' going on these last days (IMO!) I thought it would be time to do a new poll. And maybe some will be annoyed too... :)
So the question to vote about is:
Are the Byzantines the true heirs of the Roman Empire and should the Byzantine faction in the game be called "The Romans" (now it's "The Byzantines")?
We're all arguing for historical correctness in the game. I know this won't have an impact on how the game will look like as it's to late, but I'm curious what people think.
And since there's been some weak postin' going on these last days (IMO!) I thought it would be time to do a new poll. And maybe some will be annoyed too... :)
So the question to vote about is:
Are the Byzantines the true heirs of the Roman Empire and should the Byzantine faction in the game be called "The Romans" (now it's "The Byzantines")?
Yes but later on it became Byzantinum todays people in Italy not all especialy northern is more germanic then roman.
Wow...100%...what a following... :p
i voted to:p
quz rome was more then just romans itself and byzantinum was roman but later it was overrun by other people to
well my conclusion is Italy, Byzantinum, Turkey, Greece, Bulgaria and Romania of today i am not sure of romania but i think these countrys have the right to be called roman for a part.
Prins_v_Brabant
27-07-2004, 23:57
tricky question ;) but my opinion is: with the fall of Rome, the Roman Empire did not excist any longer including a big part of the culture and traditions who were destroyed too.
Finellach
28-07-2004, 00:30
well my conclusion is Italy, Byzantinum, Turkey, Greece, Bulgaria and Romania of today i am not sure of romania but i think these countrys have the right to be called roman for a part.
And Spain, Portugal, France Austria, Slovenia, Croatia, Bosnia, etc....
There were hardly any romans in the middle age...not that it matters if there was anyway...
slovenia, croatia, bosnia i dont know these excactly if they were part of byzantinum but spain, france and austria were later on overrun by others
tricky question ;) but my opinion is: with the fall of Rome, the Roman Empire did not excist any longer including a big part of the culture and traditions who were destroyed too.
romans traditions died when rome accepted christianity and their culture and it was still rome by then.
But werent romans Trojans?
romans traditions died when rome accepted christianity and their culture and it was still rome by then.
But werent romans Trojans?
AFAIK that's just a myth created by the Romans to make their origin a little bit more "noble".
To create an empire you just can't be a simple farmer...
A Swedish offtopic myth in the 17th-18th century was that Sweden was the sunken Atlantis that was rising from the sea...
They came to this conclusion because here up north where the ice was a couple of kilometeres thick in the last Ice age the land was rising, it is evident as the years passes.
In Stockholm where I live 1000 years ago the shore line was about 5 meters higher, the land is rising with about 0.5 centimeters a year now.
thnx for info.
btw.
The one thing i that Venice was not a big friend of Byzantinum is if i am not wrong the crusade that was planned but leaded by a venetian forgat its name invaded Constantinople and sacked most of their treusure ( it had more gold then hole Asia and Europe togather at the time ) and the hate of orthodox and catholics against each other since then.
thnx for info.
You're welcome!
Well I guess it's your question again as none managed to answer it correctly.
I'll see if it's un-answered tommorrow, then I'll give it a go, but now I'm going to bed.
In half an hour "The O'Reilly Factor" is on in Sweden! See if I'll manage to stay awake... :yawn:
Interesting to see "his" coverege on the Dems convention in Boston.
goodnight i just tryd but it just too hot:p
Sir Turylon
28-07-2004, 05:57
@Ledhead. The factor was very interesting tonight, wasn't it? :)
@Romans and Constantinople/Byzantium/Istanbul/That city between Greece and Turkey
If you want to be correct, call it Eastern Roman Empire. :) The emeperor in Constantinople would like you to think he is the rightful heir to the crown in Rome, but in essence the crown was lost until Charles was crowned "Emperor." The other interesting note is that the empire was split before Rome or Western Rome fell. So there really was two Roman Empires by the time Rome was over-run by goths. (w00t, go goths!)
I voted for #3 mainly because I'd rather see it as Eastern Romans rather than just Romans. Remember, most of the Goths that invaded Italy were technically Roman citizens. They were forced into the west by the Huns, IIRC. :go:
lol the huns went all the way to rome atilla even talked to the pope
@Ledhead. The factor was very interesting tonight, wasn't it? :)
@Romans and Constantinople/Byzantium/Istanbul/That city between Greece and Turkey
If you want to be correct, call it Eastern Roman Empire. :) The emeperor in Constantinople would like you to think he is the rightful heir to the crown in Rome, but in essence the crown was lost until Charles was crowned "Emperor." The other interesting note is that the empire was split before Rome or Western Rome fell. So there really was two Roman Empires by the time Rome was over-run by goths. (w00t, go goths!)
I voted for #3 mainly because I'd rather see it as Eastern Romans rather than just Romans. Remember, most of the Goths that invaded Italy were technically Roman citizens. They were forced into the west by the Huns, IIRC. :go:
Didn't see it yesterday, was too tired. The re-run starts in about 5 minutes...
I don't agree with your second point.
Diocletian divided the Empire in 285 AD something...
Konstantin the Great made himself sole Emperor then moved the capital from Rome to Constantinople. You agree that Konstantin the Great was a Roman Emperor right? The rest of the world sure do...
What do you think the Goths were doing defeated the Romans at Adrianople 395 AD, they were trying to capture the Roman capital. You agree that it was Romans that was defeated at Adrianople 395 AD right?
Do you think that Justinian the Great (reigned in the 6th century) was a Roman Emperor?
There was a Roman Emperor reigning all the time since Augustus when Charlemagne was crowned.
For me there wasn't a separate Imperial crown laying around in Rome waiting for someone to get there and get it. The Empire was "divided" (divided for administrational reasons only) for too short a time for it to be separate "realm".
And as stated above, Konstantine made it a single Emperor Empire and moved the sole Imerial dignity to Constantinople. And the whole civilized world then and for yet centurys to come refered to the guy in Constantinople as the Roman Emperor.
That's my view...
Then in modern times we have to categorize and terminologize different eras and epochs in history so that when you say Byzantium or Eastern Roman Empire people instantly knows where in history you are...
Unfortunately people tend to use those terms in their mind when they think about these things for themselves and then you end up with a game that has Byzantium ( a name never used during its history...).
But they are a thankful target cause they aren't here to speak for themselves so I don't see it will ever change... ;(
Commercial break on "O'Reilly". Hey Michael Moore will be on! This should be fun!!
Gotta go... :)
Constantinople/Byzantium/Istanbul/That city between Greece and Turkey
Byzantium was bigger then just Constantinople itself.
lol Istanbul is fully in Turkey :p
your right it should be called roman i searched a bit more and indeed you could be hanged if u called it something else then roman in those time's the word byzantium came in the 18thn century or something till then it was roman
What do u guys think about the realm of Trebizond should it be called roman to?
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