World Cup 2006 Qualifying in Europe

[Nike]

Hey, no need to argue here! It's obvius that the first in the group will be Bulgaria! ;) After all, Hristo "Kamata" Stoichkov is our coach now! :)

[Ledhead]

Oh, no big argue for me yet. Just trying to discuss humbly in a fair and balanced manner.
Sweden wasn't good. Croatia played smart (so in that sense they were better, I'm not saying that Sweden was better than Croatia), but it should have been 1-1. So the "luck" part in my first post was only in retrospect of that goal Sweden should have had, but that's the way it goes sometimes...
Sweden shouldn't have put themselves in a position that they're relying on the referes judgement.
Congratz Croatia!

[Finellach]

The line ref (who had the best view of the situation!) signaled for a goal in the "dropped ball" situation...the foul was for interfering the goalkeeper :hello: ...and it was a wrong call!

The goal was there but there was a foul on a defender before the ball even got to the goalkeeper. If that was your best chance then I really don't know what to say. :p


Sweden didn't play well, I'll give you that.
Sweden didn't lose the game because Croatia scored one, Sweden lost for not scoring any own goals...the Swedish attack was impotent.

And why was Swedish attack powerless? Because we played a great defense. It was not a bad luck, it was the fact there was a better team on the other side. What do you think was playing against your? 3rd grade players from Zimbabve?! Croatia had the one of the best if not the best defense in whole Europe in the past 3-4 years.


Zlatan is more of a dirty player, and an excellent actor at trying to look innocent after an incident. The Swedish frustration which transformed into aggresivness cannot be excused!
But the Croatians should have gotten yellow cards for delaying the game and falling like a shot pheasants in a hunt before the wrestling. The Croatian players didn't even try to play football!

Oh please cut the crap. That is so way of the truth. No one was delaying the game nor did the players threw on the ground. Thats is your imaginations and your wrong assertions. Your players were simply said too agressive and to some point rude and they should have got more yellow cards then they did. The referee had one criterea for you and the other for us and you still complain? Please don't be a sore looser...thats so lame... :rolleyes:

[Vengaul]

Brazil...again.

The team is good, but they only play REAL soccer when is World Cup or...hmm..or...erm...nothing else.... :angry: :angry: :angry:

[DoS_GadO]

Italia!!!! Italia!!!! and the others **** :silly: :cheers:

[Finellach]

Btw. I read what Ibrahimovic said after the game and IMO he is now officially confirmed moron. He seems to forgot that he is also a "balkanoid" and that by dissing Croatian team he is also dissing his parents. I mean is he ashamed of his parents?!? :rolleyes:
Furthermore if anyone has the least right to say anything about throwing on the ground and simulating it is him. Such stupidity and hippocrisy...:angry:

[Noldy]

I am so glad Ibrahimovic went away at Ajax and now goes to Juventus.

[DoS_GadO]

Ibrahimovic with stupid goal, he does come back home Italian team...now Juventus take he...blaaaaaa

[Finellach]

Well I never liked Juventus anyway. :D
I am more AC Milan fan myself. ;)

[roostercogburn]

ITALY will rule

[Ledhead]

Btw. I read what Ibrahimovic said after the game and IMO he is now officially confirmed moron. He seems to forgot that he is also a "balkanoid" and that by dissing Croatian team he is also dissing his parents. I mean is he ashamed of his parents?!? :rolleyes:
Furthermore if anyone has the least right to say anything about throwing on the ground and simulating it is him. Such stupidity and hippocrisy...:angry:

So what did he say, and where did you read it?

[DoS_GadO]

Well I never liked Juventus anyway. :D
I am more AC Milan fan myself. ;)

Eheh..You like Milan because it's one of the best club in europe...but if You remember...the last Uefa Champions league played Milan vs Juventus!!!! ITALIA RULE! :cheers:

[Finellach]

Actually I like Milan because as a kid I knew Boban played there and and so with time I grew to like Milan as well....which lasts to this very day and will probably last forever. :)

@Ledhead - he said that Croatian players are "balkanoids who throw themselves on the ground every time someone touches them". But he seems to forget he is also a "balkanoid" who also throws himself on the ground as soon as someone touches him. It seems he lacks something what is called "good manners" and the ability to admit a defeat and furthermore he is also a liar, but thats another story.

[Ledhead]

Actually I like Milan because as a kid I knew Boban played there and and so with time I grew to like Milan as well....which lasts to this very day and will probably last forever. :)

@Ledhead - he said that Croatian players are "balkanoids who throw themselves on the ground every time someone touches them". But he seems to forget he is also a "balkanoid" who also throws himself on the ground as soon as someone touches him. It seems he lacks something what is called "good manners" and the ability to admit a defeat and furthermore he is also a liar, but thats another story.

To put citationmarks around some words doesn't prove anything. You have still failed to provide the source. And to call someone a liar in a public forum without backing up your case is slander, and that's ill-mannered if something is!
And when that person isn't able to counter your charges it's cowardly to.
The only thing I read that Zlatan said about the SWE-CRO match was that he thought that Croatia played good and cleaver.

You presume to know what kind of a football player Ibrahimovic is better than I do?!
Laughable!
Well it's good that you have high thoughts of yourself, but now you've reached a point of ridicule IMO...
I've followed Zlatans career for 4-5 years closely as he is one of the post prolific players that Sweden has produced for good and for worse. And now that he is in Juventus it might even be of public interest for football fans to know too. Listen carefully, I'll tell you once again:
Zlatan plays dirty and ugly. Watchout for an elbow or a hand, and then for an innocent face when the ref blows his pipe.
Zlatan is not a typical swan, who score points for falling beautifully. The latest proof of that is his first goal for Juventus this weekend in his debut in Seria A. He had the chance to fall at least two times just before he scored in the penalty area, but he didn't!
Zlatan is strong and posesses great technique but he isn't a great teamplayer. But he is improving there as he matures.
All forwards have a tendency to fall easier than for example a defender. But Zlatan is big so he knows that not many refs are going to fall (!) for a to obvious sudden "heartattack".
Unlike your Croatian national players, who plays an excellent defence and stand up like if they were cemented to the ground for 3/4 of the match and then suddenly starts to fall as if the hit with a schyte when a guy that's 20 kilos lighter and 10 cm shorter runs past them...
Didn't you yourself say that Croatia has one of the worlds best defences in the world in football?
Well you don't do much great defending lying on the ground all the time, maybe there was another reason for the Croatians to suddenly "dive" for coins in the grass... :rolleyes:

As for the goal that was called off.
The Spanish ref have in an interview admitted that it was, as he saw it, Zlatan bumping into the goalkeeper that made him call off the goal.
His mistake was that he didn't confere with his lineref, who signaled for a goal.
So the match should have ended 1-1!
I don't know from where you got that there was a foul on a defender before the goalsituation...
But as I said before, these things happen and in the end it evens out. Sweden has also benfitted from mistakes by the ref sometimes...

I think that you are driven by a misguided patriotism in this topic. You can't take any critical views. I perceive you as condescending and self-righteouss. Not a very good growing ground for a objective debate, but an interesting one... :)

[Jay]

Germany is not in the qualifying, so I'm support all countries with players from Werder Bremen. They are Greece (Angelos Charisteas), Finland or Paraguay...

[Finellach]

To put citationmarks around some words doesn't prove anything. You have still failed to provide the source. And to call someone a liar in a public forum without backing up your case is slander, and that's ill-mannered if something is!
And when that person isn't able to counter your charges it's cowardly to.
The only thing I read that Zlatan said about the SWE-CRO match was that he thought that Croatia played good and cleaver.

The source is Croatian newspapers. Do you want me to scan it? can you understand Croatian? Believe me he said it. And yes he is a liar. He said that if there is any team he wants to play it's Croatia, he said the same to Bosnian newspapers that Bosnia-Herzegovina is the only country he wants to play for. And then suddenly he plays for Sweden. I don't mind that since he was born there but just going on and saying such things and later doing totally different thing makes you a liar, unreliable person and shows very bad manners especially when you slander other team like he did.

You presume to know what kind of a football player Ibrahimovic is better than I do?!
Laughable!
Well it's good that you have high thoughts of yourself, but now you've reached a point of ridicule IMO...

I presume nothing of the sort. I don't know where are you getting this.
Furthermore I played football myself and almost became a pro. And I still do play it recreationally.
I followed world football for as I am aware of myself thus yes I would say that I know what kind of player Ibrahimovic, especailly since I watched at least 10-15 games with him.

Zlatan plays dirty and ugly. Watchout for an elbow or a hand, and then for an innocent face when the ref blows his pipe.

Yes that is typical of him.

Zlatan is not a typical swan, who score points for falling beautifully. The latest proof of that is his first goal for Juventus this weekend in his debut in Seria A. He had the chance to fall at least two times just before he scored in the penalty area, but he didn't!

Oh please...
I've seen him falling and simulating dozen of teams for Ajax and Sweden and even in Sweden-Croatia match. He does it all the time.

Zlatan is strong and posesses great technique but he isn't a great teamplayer. But he is improving there as he matures.

I would say that he is highly overrated. He does posses a technique, but he is weak on foot, he simulates and plays dirty and furthermore I don't like his style of play.

All forwards have a tendency to fall easier than for example a defender. But Zlatan is big so he knows that not many refs are going to fall (!) for a to obvious sudden "heartattack".

This is your assertions which has been proved wrong already.

Unlike your Croatian national players, who plays an excellent defence and stand up like if they were cemented to the ground for 3/4 of the match and then suddenly starts to fall as if the hit with a schyte when a guy that's 20 kilos lighter and 10 cm shorter runs past them...

Tell me where did that happened? Was it when Wilhemsson jumped on Srna?

Didn't you yourself say that Croatia has one of the worlds best defences in the world in football?
Well you don't do much great defending lying on the ground all the time, maybe there was another reason for the Croatians to suddenly "dive" for coins in the grass... :rolleyes:

I haven't seen our defenders "dive for coins". Take your medication before halucinations get even worse...

As for the goal that was called off.
The Spanish ref have in an interview admitted that it was, as he saw it, Zlatan bumping iinto the goalkeeper that made him call off the goal.
His mistake was that he didn't confere with his lineref, who signaled for a goal.
So the match should have ended 1-1!
I don't know from where you got that there s a foul on a defender before the goalsituation...

I already admitted that goal was a regular one. The foul on defender was what the linesmen told when he was asked to comment on the descion. Obviously he didn't knew himself why the main referee awarded a free kick.
The main referee was extrely poor, his criteria was strange. He tolerated fouls to Swedish team and didn't tolerated for Croatian team. He awarded free kicks that weren't there for Sweden and he disallowed regular goal for Sweden. When we look at the whole picture you cannot blame the judge for your mistakes. If you scored a goal then it would be 1:1.
You cannot take it out on judge.

But as I said before, these things happen and in the end it evens out. Sweden has also benfitted from mistakes by the ref sometimes...

In the very game...

I think that you are driven by a misguided patriotism in this topic. You can't take any critical views. I perceive you as condescending and self-righteouss. Not a very good growing ground for a objective debate, but an interesting one... :)

Actually I am not guided by any patriotism since I consider such thing annoying. I am guided by your wrong assertions and false claims. As someone who played football himself and who follwos football from the day he was born I just cannot let your slander go away just like that.

I would say that you are self-righteous, ill mannered and furthermore a sore looser.
A real Ibrahimovic fan... :rofl:

[Gorgoroth]

ROFL Finellach, I see that you are still erhm.....weird....maybe not the correct word..ah well.:D
You are the most insane Croatian who I know thats for sure. ;) .. and I know many, trust me.

Oh btw what happened with Croatia on the Olympics? Only 1 gold, right? Bloody genetics...:D

[Finellach]

And here comes the man with multiple personality disorder. How are you? Been on any nazi/rascist gatherings lately? :rofl:

I would say that we did pretty well in the Olympics. Five medals(1 gold, 2 silvers and 2 bronzes) is quite a good result for a small country such as ours. I would say that the satisfaction is even greater when one realizes we won the most medals out of all former Yugoslav countries. :D

[Gorgoroth]

Multiple personality...nazi gatherings...omg. :D Finny you are i.n.s.a.n.e! ;)
..Then I was correct, that gold is came from handball, Croatia had a hella good team I must admit. :) .. hm we've won 8 golds and many other medals...well it should be 10 golds but we've lost 2 lol, its a loooong story. Hungary is a small country [now :(]...so I think if a small country like ours is winning tons of medals thats amazing. :)

[Albanian_Empire]

let's go back to the topic guys who you think is th biggest surprise and what important games you looking for on October 9th?