[en] Cloning, A evil thing, or advance in science?

[Richard]

Well, here is the thread angryminer :wink: , say what you think about it in any aspect( religius/ scientifically/ ect..) I want to know what everyone else think of it, so carry on.

[FrankishKnight]

It will help save us from diseases. And solve world hunger. Nuff said.

[HappyAdolf]

You can clone sheep!
DOLLY!
:biggrin:

[FrankishKnight]

Finally, A HappyAdolf spam post like we're used to! :sigh of relief:

[HappyAdolf]

DOLLY DOLLY the clone sheep :biggrin:

[Angryminer]

I think there should be sharp restrictions on cloning and modern medicine in general.
Modern medicine can control and influence various aspects of our life. Be that illness or not.
What I want to point out is that any character-attribute or physical attribute that we feel is negative can be labeled as an illness and modern medicine will find a way to "cure" it.
Shyness, for example, is negative. So let's invent a drug that does away with this social disfunction.
This view would surely lead to a situation as discribed in "Brave New World" or various other anti-utopian stories. As I think this is not desirable, I think modern law has to draw a very sharp line between "illness" and "valueless attribute".

So when talking about therapeutic cloning we should ask ourselves wether it is bad to not be able to hold your breath for 15 minutes. Modern medicine will soon be able to break this "restriction" with genetic manipulations of human gens.

Modern law should intervene at this point to keep modern medicine from turning our world into "Brave New World" and other nightmares.

Closing statement: I am really not conservative and I greatly enjoy news about science. But this prospect of Brave New World scares me.

Angryminer

[Richard]

I think there should be sharp restrictions on cloning and modern medicine in general.
Modern medicine can control and influence various aspects of our life. Be that illness or not.
What I want to point out is that any character-attribute or physical attribute that we feel is negative can be labeled as an illness and modern medicine will find a way to "cure" it.
Shyness, for example, is negative. So let's invent a drug that does away with this social disfunction.
This view would surely lead to a situation as discribed in "Brave New World" or various other anti-utopian stories. As I think this is not desirable, I think modern law has to draw a very sharp line between "illness" and "valueless attribute".

So when talking about therapeutic cloning we should ask ourselves wether it is bad to not be able to hold your breath for 15 minutes. Modern medicine will soon be able to break this "restriction" with genetic manipulations of human gens.

Modern law should intervene at this point to keep modern medicine from turning our world into "Brave New World" and other nightmares.

Closing statement: I am really not conservative and I greatly enjoy news about science. But this prospect of Brave New World scares me.

Angryminer

I agree with you, Like all science advances it brings good things, but with it bad too. What would happen if this falls into the wrong hands? We are talking of dictators that could live for longer time and many other things. Also the world is overcrowded as it is, and making our lifes longer isn't going to help much. So governments should and MUST make estrict laws on how to use this.

About ending world hunger, well i don't think so. There is more than enought food, just super power governments don't care for 3rd world countries. If you coem to think, the amount of food that is throwed away each day on the U. S. could feed 1000's and 1000's of people. So i don't think "cloned sheeps" :lol: would endthe matter.

[Moryarity]

So when talking about therapeutic cloning we should ask ourselves wether it is bad to not be able to hold your breath for 15 minutes. Modern medicine will soon be able to break this "restriction" with genetic manipulations of human gens.

Angryminer


our science is far away from such things..we are still at the beginning of cloning and much resea5rch must follow till something is really going to happen...


by the way..we are "cloning" individuells for some thousand years now..at the moment we are just changing the system..

[Noldy]

I agree with you, Like all science advances it brings good things, but with it bad too. What would happen if this falls into the wrong hands? We are talking of dictators that could live for longer time and many other things. Also the world is overcrowded as it is, and making our lifes longer isn't going to help much. So governments should and MUST make estrict laws on how to use this.

About ending world hunger, well i don't think so. There is more than enought food, just super power governments don't care for 3rd world countries. If you coem to think, the amount of food that is throwed away each day on the U. S. could feed 1000's and 1000's of people. So i don't think "cloned sheeps" :lol: would endthe matter.

Your right there. The world has plenty of food. We just dont spread it well enough.

[NaVatar]

I don't like cloning....Imagine the horror of having two of me! or maybe ten copies of me!or even more! Then the world be coming to a standstill and technolgy would be cast back to the Stone-age again and people will fight with sticks and stones all over again....hmm...maybe cloning is not such a bad idea after all:scratch:

[Moryarity]

Well, if you are against cloning..maybe yiou should also forbid one-eggs twins to be carried out..they are clones too.......many of the dayly articles you use are made by "clonin".. eg. a lot of medicin and such things...

[Elvain]

I would like to know what do you thing about Jpaneese who add human gens to rice (but unfortunatelly not to Condoleeza Rice who would need that :lol:) to make it more resistable. I personaly find it very strange. How many genes will be added in some time and wil the rice (not Rice) be then more human than ricy?

I think clonning is a great progress of the science. I really think that people are not allowed to clone whole living entities (human beings or animals) by purpouse. If nature (or somebody would replace "nature" by "God") allows that in some natural cases such as one-egg twins nobody can say a word agains, but humans are not responsible enough to do it....

if something could be allowed to be cloned, so organs except crucial ones such as brain and heart and maybe some other.

Cloning is one of cases where it is evident that technical science is today far before social sciences and moral responsibility what is not good.

[Moryarity]

I never heard that human genes are brought into rice, but that is not cloning in fact, it is molecular biology ;)

[Elvain]

I know, I just asked wat you think abut it. I am too lazy to open new own thread for it :lol:

[Moryarity]

well, no one knows what will happen to the gene, is it transcriptional active, what genes are concerned..I need more info to make a statement...

[Angryminer]

Well, I think the crucial question is
"Should humans play god before social science is able to keep up with the development?"

Cloning and modifing genes are areas that have no exact moral borders. No one can say what is wrong or what is right. So should modern science advance even more? What will then keep our world from turning into "Brave New World"?

Angryminer

[Elvain]

to compare it to computers.

Is a program allowed.. but rather able than allowed... to responsibly change his own code consciously? Is he able to watch his existence from ehind? I think he isn't.

Somehow we were naturaly evolved or created depends if one believe to religions or not, but we are too young and too small to have abilities of the nature/god and to use them

[Moryarity]

if it depends on that, maybe we should not have evolved further than the weel...because, almost everything, that cam eafter, ended in war, mass destruction etc........


If we wait..how will you judge, that the right moment is finally near ?

[the knightly sword]

cloning !! it might be a good and might be a bad researching topic. looking at it from the bright side it might just solve all the animal extinction issues,even the world hunger . but on the other hand if it goes failure we can expect genetical mutation . theyve cloned a sheep (dolly) and it turned into succes.but it might not work with other animals .

[Moryarity]

Well, Dolly was not a sucess..it was ill from the beginning and took several hundreds of tries, till it worked..and then it died very early............cloning is still not further evolved...it will take time, till it will be usefull...