What country?

[Kortimus]

How long back can your country be noted and what is the best periode in your countrys history?

[Jorghan]

Originally posted by Kortimus
How long back can your country be noted and what is the best periode in your countrys history?

The best period is of course all those times we beat the danes. Yeah! ;)

[Tom Sailor]

Has there ever been a good period in Germany? :( I think we Germans just screwed everything up :sad:
Two world wars, a thirty years long war... I can't imagine any positive period :rolleyes:

What do you mean with "How long does your country date back?"? I mean Germany changed its borders quite often.
So Germany as it appears today is thirteen years old :)

[Angryminer]

The Federal Republic of Germany dates back to 1949 and had it's best years from 1955 to 1963 (that's the period which is called "Wirtschaftswunder" or "economy-wonder").

Angryminer

[Tom Sailor]

Objection your Majesty! :D In 1989 the Federal Republic of Germany and the German Democratic Republic were merged. As I said before, Germany as it appears today is just about thirteen years old. :rolleyes: The economy miracle, I agree with you, can be considered as a "good" German period. :go:

[Bagpipe]

TO ELEWYN:

Just one interesting fact from your countries history (and my to). Czechs under Jan Luxembourg participated in crusade against lithuanians in 1329 and Samogitian duke Margiris seeing enemies being stronger suggested Luxembourg a personal duel. As they were fighting, stupid lithuanian warriors who had never seen a duel before saw their leader fighting and came to help him. An agreement was broken and Margiris had to surrender. Without their leader, lithuanians lost the battle and several castles too.:bash:

I think you found it interesting;)

[Angryminer]

"This is about the roots."
You don't really want me to put the Federal Republic on one level with the "Weimarer Republik" or the Third Empire, do you?
I really don't see any connection between those nations and the Federal Republic.

Angryminer

[Jorghan]

Even though I am not german, I find your view quite strange Angryminer. Why are you denying your past, for bad and worse? Even if those were not the same nations as the nation you have to today, it's still the same lands and the same people. Or do you claim that you have no history? And roots go quite far back. Even I feel a connection to the germanic tribes mentioned by the romans.

[Emhyr var Emreis]

but the ordinary people are and were still ordinary Germans, aren't they?
That's the thing i don't like. It's just another extreme(of course -neo-nazis are the second far far worse). But when you say, that these people were not the same nation, it's first step to forget. And guess what can happen when you forget....

And anoter thing. You can't be proud of it, but you can't also say it's not part of my history. It's the same like when I will say there were no Germans in my country. They were, were forced to leave, many of them "illegaly", many of innocent killed. But WE were those who did it. It's part of my history and I can't say not.

Your roots probably are not Third reich, but German empire since 1871 or Holy Roman empire, like for me kingdom of Bohemia, even if now it is no Bohemia and no kingdom.

In my country many people are trying to say they have nothing to do with communists before 1989, but they do have. I know that communists in Czechoslovakia are imcomparable with nazi in Third Reich (But communists in Soviet Union can be!!)

It's part of our history and we have to deal with it, not throw it far away from mind.

Sorry if this os too offensive and too much about politics of 20th century
*edit*
yes, deny that's the word I couldn't find. Agreement with Jorghan's statement

[Jorghan]

Roots are much more than nation and borders. You have a history about your people dating back far before that. I feel a strong connection to the vikings who lived in what today is Sweden, even if by then no one had come up with the idea of such a nation.

The history of a people is also the history of languages. All the people who speak the same (native) language share roots, culture and history in some way.

[Emhyr var Emreis]

Yes, but tell us what is your most glorious period.

About my country I agree with Elewyn. Without break after murder of Václav III. it's from about 1253 to 1378.

And for some people, "total democratic idealists" I can call them, it is also first republic of Czechoslovakia(1918-1938, butit's often idealizing and it's only peiod between Habsburg and nazi/communist rules, which one was free, but under-german and the other two were... I thik everyone knows, what nazi and communist regimes mean for central europe)

[Jorghan]

Our greatest period I think personally was from the thirty years war, with Gustav Adolf the Great, to the end of the great nordic war, with Karl XII. (1630 - 1721)

During the middle ages it's a little harder to find a really great period, even if Sweden was powerful at times here as well, but not for such a long time.

Even if it was before the time of the nation of Sweden, I think the viking era was a great one.

[Angryminer]

I don't say "There was no Third Reich"
(Do you say "Third Reich" in english? Just read it in Emhyr var Emreis' post).
To be honest, I'm quite interested in this period, but the Federal Republic as we know it today really doesn't share anything with the Third Reich, Weimarer Republic or any other German Empires. And because there is no relation, I don't count it as a root.
The face of "Germany" has changed so strong, that you can't draw a connection to the "Third Reich" or "Weimarer Republik".
They only share their rough geographical location - but that's all.

So please don't missunderstand me. I really don't ignore the Third Reich etc., but I don't like people who can't distinguish between today and 70 years back.

Angryminer

[Emhyr var Emreis]

Oh, of course, viking era can unify all Scandinavians to be proud of it, counquering and plundering all Europe (oh, I don't mean it that sarcastic, becaouse I know it was hand in hand with great trade grow)

[Tom Sailor]

@Jorghan I do not deny the German history (I know you were talking to Angryminer), but sometimes it's just disappointing to be blamed for what has happened in the 1930's and 40's. I know that it was terrible and indescribable. It must not happen again under any circumstances. However, I would have certainly supported Hitler's system just to save my own life, not because I had shared his oppinion or wanted to discrminate against anybody! But, I was born 50 years after everything had happened and thus people can't blame everything on me.
Still, people use our history to justify stupid crime e.g. in Israel. When we say something against it we are considered to be Nazis. What if I am just a pacifist? We also are supposed to follow the USA because they are our saviours.
I do admit that Germany is guilty of WW II and all the crimes which happened during that war! I also appreciate that the USA has freed us from the NS-Regime, but my conclusion is that Germany has got to be pacifistic and neutral now.
Sometimes I just wish that all that hadn't happened...:(

Another thing about the roots: I try to learn a little bit of Swedish. Due to its Germanic roots, it's similar to German. I can understand quite a lot and my knowledge of English, which is Germanic too, helps me as well :)

[Jorghan]

Yeah, you say "Third Reich" in english.

[Tom Sailor]

@Angryminer Sorry, but that is totally nonsense. Everything we have got today is based on history, in every country on earth. E.g. if there hadn't been the Weimarer Republic we wouldn't have all the parties in Germany today...:rolleyes:

[Emhyr var Emreis]

Your statement is very nice, @Tom Sailor

[Angryminer]

The Weimarer Republik was an... error.
A terrible one.

Angryminer


Let's get this straight.
"How long back can your country be noted and what is the best periode in your countrys history?"
"My" country is the Federal Republik of Germany.

[Emhyr var Emreis]

Originally posted by Angryminer
Did you read my posts?

Angryminer One I didn't, was too close beform one of mine. Sorry for that above. I'm gonna delete it...