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Vytis
14-05-2004, 23:03
We had to split Europe to regions and some kingdoms share the same titles
May I ask what region Lithuanian titles belong to? And maybe some examples?

Gorgoroth
14-05-2004, 23:30
Originally posted by Finellach

P.S. Have I mentioned I am also part Hungarian? ;)

Now this is a good thing indeed! :) :cheers:

Finellach
15-05-2004, 02:53
Originally posted by Gorgoroth
Now this is a good thing indeed! :) :cheers:

Yes it is! I am quite proud on my mixed heritage. Cheers! :cheers: :D

Fizzil
15-05-2004, 04:43
Hi new here :)

i'd like to suggest titles for the Arabian/Islamic figures,nothings too late i hope :D

Caliph:Title for Abassid,or Andalucian king.

Sultan:Same as caliph but for turkish,egyptian and other north african factions.

Emir/Wali:If the king is Sultan,then the governer of other cities are titled Emir.If hes Caliph then its Wali(Wali means governer,Emir prince).

Vizier:Man with domestical power,usually the highest figure after the sultan/caliph.If caliph is involved in battle,he might act as a strategist to the commander(caliph).

Imam:Religious figure.Functions like a cleric i think....though can't take the popes place for obvious reasons :p

Someone mentioned Shiek,although viable this are only restricted for tribal arabs,a title for arabia only i think...does not sound feasible since the game does not cover the peninsula.

Comments or crits are welcome :D

Elewyn
15-05-2004, 10:58
Ulama too, it's religious leader too, isn't?

Fizzil
15-05-2004, 16:45
Ulama is a plural for Alim,means scientist,not necessarily religious,since mosques were considered schools and universities,alot of subjects were taken there,especifically from translated greek texts and studied upon.Subjects are not necessarily tied to religion though.

Elewyn
19-05-2004, 09:12
Originally posted by Fizzil
Ulama is a plural for Alim,means scientist,not necessarily religious,since mosques were considered schools and universities,alot of subjects were taken there,especifically from translated greek texts and studied upon.Subjects are not necessarily tied to religion though. Thanks for answer! :bday:

btw, will we see some islamic avatars in Forum? :D

Fizzil
19-05-2004, 09:16
Yeah i'd like to see some Islamic,Byzantine and Mongol avatars :D I'm a big fan of eastern armies.

Boleslaus the Great
19-05-2004, 11:26
Originally posted by Vytis
May I ask what region Lithuanian titles belong to? And maybe some examples? How they were called originally? I am really curious, how nobles in Lithuania were called. In genuine way or like in Poland or like in Russia? Do you know?

Bagpipe
19-05-2004, 22:21
Originally posted by Boleslaus the Great
How they were called originally? I am really curious, how nobles in Lithuania were called. In genuine way or like in Poland or like in Russia? Do you know?

In genuine. Of course, there are some likenesses.

Here they're:
Knight - Riteris
Baron - Baronas
Count - Grafas
Duke - Kunigaikstis
Prince - Princas
King - Karalius
Emperor - Imperatorius, Ciesorius

Vytis
20-05-2004, 00:36
Um... those terms are used in todays lithuanian language but they are not genuine lithuanian. With the exception of 'kunigaikstis' (or 'kunigas') maybe. Though it does look similar to german 'konig' so I'm not sure.
Anyways, in medieval times pagan lithuanians didn't have any elaborate title system AFAIK.
Chief of a tribe or teritory was called Kunigaikstis which is an equivalent of western Duke or Prince.
Strongest of the chiefs became Grand Duke (or Grand Prince) = Didysis Kunigaikstis.
As for nobility, I know that Prussian knight/noble was called Rikis. Lithuanian - Vytis (?).
And that's about it. All others were common people and were called 'people' :)

Oh yeah. Religious titles.
Pagan priest - Krivis.
Chief priest (or pope :) ) - Kriviu Krivis.

Bagpipe
20-05-2004, 12:03
Originally posted by Vytis
Um... those terms are used in todays lithuanian language but they are not genuine lithuanian. With the exception of 'kunigaikstis' (or 'kunigas') maybe. Though it does look similar to german 'konig' so I'm not sure.
Anyways, in medieval times pagan lithuanians didn't have any elaborate title system AFAIK.
Chief of a tribe or teritory was called Kunigaikstis which is an equivalent of western Duke or Prince.
Strongest of the chiefs became Grand Duke (or Grand Prince) = Didysis Kunigaikstis.
As for nobility, I know that Prussian knight/noble was called Rikis. Lithuanian - Vytis (?).
And that's about it. All others were common people and were called 'people' :)

Oh yeah. Religious titles.
Pagan priest - Krivis.
Chief priest (or pope :) ) - Kriviu Krivis.

Nobody argues.
"Riteris" is from german "Riter"
"karalius" I guess from slavic...
and so on...

I've just written how we call these nobles nowadays:)

Gorgoroth
20-05-2004, 14:54
Hmmm I dont know anything about Lithuania before ~1250 at all.

"..For the first time Lithuania was mentioned in 1009 in Qedlinburg annals. The Lithuania as a state emerged in early XIIIth century after the union of the main lands. Mindaugas became the Grand Duke of Lithuania at about 1240. At the end of XIVth - and the beginnning of the XV century Lithuania became one of the most powerful states in the Eastern Europe. Almost for the whole two centuries German crusaders invaded the pagan state, though Lithuania was not conquered. Lithuanians fougth bravely for their state and religion. They built castles which are admired even today for their defensive construction. In 1410 united armies of Great Dutchty of Lithunia and Poland inflicted a severe defeat to the Teutonic Knights in defence of their liberty. At the same time the Great Dutchty of Lithuania stood in the way of the attacks of the Mongols-Tatars into the West and helped the Eastern European nations to figth against the Golden Horde..."

Emhyr var Emreis
22-05-2004, 00:23
Originally posted by Frank Fay
All Knights have a title :-) You assign a TITLE NAME to the duty of Cleric. He is then WORKTITLE TITLE NAME: Cleric Graf Frank for instance. But the cleric can become Pope and then he has a different title :-) Oh, and will they change also their names whan becoming popes?

Like from Cleric Despot Vlad Dracul of Transylvania to Innocent??? :D
It's a joke.

Gorgoroth
22-05-2004, 02:16
Originally posted by Emhyr var Emreis

Cleric Despot Vlad Dracul of Transylvania to Innocent??? :D



:D :rofl: Good one!:go:

Henrik
22-05-2004, 05:48
Originally posted by Angryminer
"would be something between a Duke and a King"
I spent a thought on that...
Perhaps the title of the knights should change with their experience. That would make knight-management an edge easier and give the game yet another cool feature ;) .

Angryminer

That would be an Arch Duke/Grand Duke i think

Please take a look at this found at Wikipedia.org (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Royal_and_noble_ranks) ( scroll down ) it include almost all of Europes titles of nobility.

Gorgoroth
22-05-2004, 11:08
Hm I dont know, why should their title change by their experience? It would be good for the knight "management", I agree, but it wouldnt be "realistic" imho.

Elewyn
22-06-2004, 11:33
there were knight titles discussed in this thread.

I would like to say my hope that in "French speaking realms" title will not be a "count" in english, but "comte" as it is in french.

calling french knights "counts" would be the same like using "count" instead of "graf" in german speaking areas, or "duke" instead of "wojewoda"/"vévoda" in Poland/Bohemia.

I hope this is already considered

Henrik
22-06-2004, 20:18
Originally posted by Elewyn
there were knight titles discussed in this thread.

I would like to say my hope that in "French speaking realms" title will not be a "count" in english, but "comte" as it is in french.

calling french knights "counts" would be the same like using "count" instead of "graf" in german speaking areas, or "duke" instead of "wojewoda"/"vévoda" in Poland/Bohemia.

I hope this is already considered

I can see your point Elewyn and i agree, but don't for i also think that those who are just casual games and those who are don't know about noble titels will get quite confused about titlea which looks different, but actually means the same i.e count = comte = graf !

So how should the whole titles business be made so it will "suit" those who are the real fans ( that would be us in here :) ) and those who are not into all this ?

Elewyn
22-06-2004, 20:34
I think it's to represent the nationality or something like that.

Would you agree with "dukes" or "counts" in Scandinavia?
there were "jarls" and they wil be in KoH.
In south Balkans, a "despot" was usual title, it would be silly to see byzantine "count" or "duke"
the same with "ban" in northern Balkans and "graf" in German area (all those examples are very probably in KoH what screenshots prove). It would be silly to me that all regions have their specific titles and France will have english title. That's why I want "comte" instead of "count" in France.

Those who don't know what is right won't be mystificated and won't think that Germans had german titles, Scandinavians had scandinavian titles, English had english, peoples from S.Balkans have south Balkan titles, but French had english ones.