Conquer Lands ?????

[Elewyn]

Originally posted by Klauwaart
In the first 2 periods Flanders isn't an independant state according to the screenshots.

Let us hope in the latest periode it will be I must say that I hope that they will change some things which are already revealed.
Especially high period. I think that there is no reason why divide kingdom of Sicily to Sicily and Naples when it was on it's top(around 1200), then also Switzerland and ukraine should be removed and (especially for this thread) Flandre and Languedoc should be playable vassals of France as Brittany is :)

Then I hope thet in late period Flandre will be either independent (French vassal) or part of Burgundy :)

And also in early period I would prefere seing Low countries under rule of Lotharingia instead of HolyRomanEmpire/Germany, and in this entry point also Prussia not in Poland but in Lithuania or-IMO the best-"Balts".
Originally posted by Redback
Hi Henrik,
Yeah , I know about the heritage part:) ,
I was wondering more about Trading/buying Realms{good way to setup an outpost on the otherside of europe.},and other Diplomatic deals {ie.How many ways can we expand through Diplomacy?}:) :D :cheers: I guess trading is possible. I will also like you really appreciate seing all diplomatical features :)

Let's wait for friday (or next friday) update. Who knows what they will give us?;)

[Henrik]

@Elewyn & @Redback

I think they'll reveal it soon - we already know there will be LOADS of diplomatic possibilities i.e before the change there were, if i recall correctly, 24, but this was cut down a little i think.

I also think that if they released the list with the various diplomatic option we will have, then it will ( i'll bet ) create a hailstorm of questions.... so we'll just have to wait a little - though it's so damn hard when one wnats to know it now - right !

@eagle1 - now i don't wanna be an ***, but there is no reason to double post your request - though i can see it from your POV and why you wantthe city of Ypre to be included....

[Klauwaart]

I gues that there will only be one city for each realm so Brugge or Ghent it will be for Flanders

[eagle1]

but bruges or ghent ****s . choose ypre or courtrai.
And ypre whas 1 of the 3 biggits city's in west europe. around 1300

[Klauwaart]

only the capital will be mentioned, they have to make choices.

You can't conquer 4 cities before you finnaly have that realm. It is a game it must also be fun to play.

Although Ieper was a large city it won't be in the game. I guess It will only be Brugge

[Elewyn]

yea, maybe for quite short time Ypre was on the same level of importance like Brugge or Ghent, but especially Brugge (as far as I as Bohemian know) was the main city of Flandre through whole middle ages, temporarily in shadow of Ghent. It also was residence of count of Flandres (If I am wrong, correct me please!).
Also my "smart book about almost all historical regions and provinces names most important cities of Flandre exactly in this order: Brugge, Ghent, Courtrai(Kortrijk), Ypre

I understand it's hard for you to live in 3rd or 4th main city of your region, in shadow of bigger ones. Believe me, I know-it's hard for me as citizen of Prague to go to 2ns and 3rd biggest cities of Czechi, to Ostrava(3) and especially Brno(2). They hate people from Prague because we are the first.

But the fact is that most important cities of Flandre were Brugge and Ghent .

And yes, only one town per realm/province is in KoH. So only the most important city throughout whole middle ages

[Albanian_Empire]

My question is how will there be an official victory by capturing the most important castle, killing the king....?

[Elewyn]

capturing the last castle.

If the king dies, it's the time for his heir to rule. If he has no male heir, housband of his daughters claims the throne, if he had no children, one of 3 best knights of his kingdom is chosen to be king. It may be your spy also.

I have one question concerning this. Do foreign countries affect the choice by some diplomatical actions?
Like if France knows that in HolyRomanEmpire, where the throne is empty, there are 3 candidates, graf Frank, graf Henrik and Graf Elewyn.
France knows that Elewyn is spy of Bohemia, which is great power now in central eastern Europe, ruling whole Poland and half of Hungary and they know that if HRE will become puppet kingdom of Bohemia, it will be hegemony of Bohemia in central Europe-big danger for France. They also know that Henrik is spy of his ally, kingdom of Denmark, struggeling with Sweden, having actually only one realm to rule.
Frank is the best of HRE's marshalls, but for France it's better to force Henrik as spy of their ally. Can France influence who will be the king of HRE? (so, can France influence thet Henrik will be the king :D)

[Rnett]

Originally posted by Albanian_Empire
My question is how will there be an official victory by capturing the most important castle, killing the king....?

This is a good question. What happens if you do capture the main castle? Does it throw the rest of the empire into chaos? Do you inherit the rest of that empire? :scratch:

[Henrik]

@Elewyn thta's a quite interesting senario you have come up with there - I also wanna know if it's possible that another country will intervene and try to get "the right ruler" on the throne - as seen from its point of view. If the devs could get this to work, then the player could run the risk of getting into a war just because he appointed the wrong knight to take the throne !

I simply can't imagine that the devs has thought of that one, but it would be really cool if we had it IMO - just imagine the consequence: you would have a game where it, unless you have a large enough army or powerfull allies, wasn't entirely up to yourself to decide how should get the throne.......

This senario should be on the devs to-do-list and included in a sequel - how about it guys ! ?

[Elewyn]

I don't know why I came to this idea so late :(

Whole 17oo's was about "wars of ... succession": Spanish, Polish, Austrian. All those states were superpowers and other superpoweds disn't want to let another superpower to join it. F.e. England and Austria did everything to disable France to join whole Spanish empire (American colonies, Low countries, Naples, Milan, Spain) etc.

You know, in times of no heir, player represents something like local council of nobles which has right to elect new ruler. So France can offer you: If you chose graf Elewyn, we will go to war with you (becasue he has connections to Bohemia), but if you chose Henrik, we'll be your allies (oooh, France being my ally, what a great offer!). But what, if you chose Frank, England and Spain(fearing of France's ally's empowerment) will offer you alliance, Byzantium(fearing of Bohemia) will ofer you non-attacking pact and Sweden(wants to destroy Denmark) trade agreement. So you as german noble will chose... Frank :)
Originally posted by Rnett
This is a good question. What happens if you do capture the main castle? Does it throw the rest of the empire into chaos? Do you inherit the rest of that empire? :scratch: I think there is no main castle. All realms have equal possition.

When you conguer enemy's most wealthy province with the strongest (but I would not call it main) castle, I think the enemy will have big enough loss to desire to revenge on you.

[Henrik]

Yeahh, i'll agree Elewyn - too bad you didn't came up with this great idea a little earlier ( we can only hope the devs sees this thread ) because this will force the player to make some decissions - one could almost compare it to a game of chess.

With this idea you could, as i said in my last post, risk going to war just because you selected "the wrong knight" - this also mean that when you decide who of the knight who will be the next king you can not only look at his skills but also have to pay attention to how the other nations think of him - i really think the idea ROCK !

[Angryminer]

@Elewyn's Scenario
If all the knights claim the throne (which will most surely happen if Denmark has any interest in gaining territory ;) ), they all will declare themselves "King of...".
Elewyn might declare himself King of Austria and claim Bavaria for his new kingdom, Henrik might forge the Kingdom of Pommerania and claim Saxony while Frank rules the area of the Palatinat.
( I don't know how 'kingdom-name-selection' of the knights work, this was just a guess. But I can't imagin another way. )
They all declare war upon another, because they all want to rule the whole HRE.
Bohemia will surely help Elewyn while Denmark offers Henrik a military alliance. Now France can send Henrik loads of money and can defend his realms from Bohemian influence. As soon as Henrik's troops reconquer the HRE back and unite it under his rule, Denmark will command him to join the HRE into Denmark's territory.

I guess that's the way you will be able to influence the King's election.
(Note: This all doesn't require a single line of extra-code. The 'Knights fight for heritage'-thing is already in, according to the devs.)

Angryminer