History.... not every one knows it

[Sir Turylon]

no, discussion is not closed. especially since you felt obliged to insult myself and say that I am blind. That is a very narrow minded observation.

The fleet was out BEFORE Sunday... the ships did not set sail that morning... anyone who knows any small detail of what happened knows that. :nono:

The cipher machines were not broken. The diplomatic ones were. This did not entirely help since the coded messages were not clear like.. "To ambassador, we attack morning of December 7th" Seriously, go read some non-biased history on the matter.

Just to educate your further, the US military does not take Sundays off.

Few facts, just to educate you on the matter...

The attack came from the east. The radar system coonfused the first wave with a flight of bombers on approach from California..(at this time, radar couldn't distinguish between planes) There was a confrontation between a destroyer and submarine, but no alarm was raised. There was no message that was intercepted via radio intercept about the attack. The ciphers were not fully broken yet. (contrary to your conspiracy theory education)

no need to go around calling people blind. Twice you have insulted opinions that are not your own. That is very rude. Espcially if you start insulting your elders.

@Napoleon
He was too ambitious and chased too many skirts.

[fallen_saint]

I do agree with you that the Americans did know about Pearl Harbor and the Japanese told them, but Americans had to choose over 4 or 5 sites and this was across all of Pacific Ocean. I wholeheartedly agreed with Turylon on this subject.

The Atomic bomb issue not like the Americans envisioned that it would cause a lot of harm because quite frankly this type of lethal power had never been used before. So killing thousands of Japanese was likely, but the American gov't didn't realize the full extent of the atomic bomb's power. A few american lives??? More like 25k estimated and many months or year to finally put end to fighting a guerilla war on Japan's soil. This was not an easy decision that Truman came up with, but it did happen and we all learned something from it.

[Dobber]

I'd just like to ask what the people who are criticall to the nukes dropped on Japan think would have been the result of an attempted landing. And I'm not asking who you thought would've won, but what you think the death toll would've been like.



The bombing of Japan saved millions of Japanese and American lives. I hate to even think of the death toll had there been a land invasion force. Every Japanese civillian on mainland Japan had been trained in hand to hand combat using whatever was at hand as a weapon. There would have been much blood spilled on both sides.

[HappyAdolf]

That would maybe have given a desaster like Vietnam...

[Mircea the Oldman]

I se you give me no alternative then to block the threat....
I have many to comment about what you said but I will not contiune.
End of discution.
Once more and will be the last one.

Soo let's talk about Waterloo... just opinions....
Could Napoleon the best tactician of the world made such a mistake?
What were the facts that mede him loose the battle?

I know one.. from his place he didn't see the valley where his man died filling up the valley...

[HappyAdolf]

Hmm, I don't know that much of that battle, but maybe his enemies just found a weak point in his armeis...

[Hector]

Napoleon ****ed the fool should have waited till the Russian winter was over i would have finished Britain instead then get some oversea colonie's etc

[Sir Turylon]

Actually Fallen Saint, the casualties were estimated in the 200-300,000 range for our side, and over 90% for Japan. Regardless, the coup d'grace was not the bombs, it was the extensive bombing of industrial cities. The bombs were merely an example of what greater destruction laid in wait if they did not surrender. (although that is presumption siunce it would have taken a few years to make a new bomb)

@Waterloo.

Napoleon blundered into that battle. Perhaps he was ill, since you never attack an opponent who has the higher ground. He should have maneuvered around on the right flank of the British line and swept up their flank there. silly "fight in a line" doctrine... just plain silly.

[HappyAdolf]

Hmm...
Stop discussing about Pearl Harbor, or Mircea will delete this thread as he said...
Do you really want this?
Open your own thread about it!

[Sir Turylon]

[QUOTE=HappyAdolf]
Stop discussing about Pearl Harbor, or Mircea will delete this thread as he said...
/QUOTE]

it'd be rude if he did. "Oh, somebody doesn't agree with me about it... can't have that." *close*

besides, it wasn't about pearl, it was about the planned invasion of Japan.

[fallen_saint]

sorry Sir Turylon, i have not read about the invasion of Japan, but yes the US did threaten they had more Nuc's to pummel Japan with. But what i think is funny is that they all those bombins and they never touched Shinto.

What's the deal Mircea "closing" everything because we don't follow your ideas or plans? anyways, i know little about Napoleon except that he didn't take over Haiti hehe :nono: :yawn:

[Elvain]

Turylon our good old patriot :D
But is not everything you say American Propaganda :D No one really knows the truth...
I'll get 2nd WW next year :pplease, mate, don't provoke anybody in serious issues. You know that it is not a true(that thing about propaganda). You are right that there is very limited amount of people who know the truth (and most pof them know it only from one side of problem!) and neither of us is among them... neither you, neither Sir Turylon. So respect his opinion if possible! Please

You know thet this is not only question of this thing... I must agree with Kuno's words far above:
"@HappyAdolf: Some things you write here are really sad and stupid, really... Please keep such things for you in the future!"

So, if possible, think before writting something that can provoke, hurt or touch somebody else.
I know you are making fun of everything you can, but there are some things which are not good to joke about.

Wait for the next year to get some information about WW2...

Please, respect other forum members,
your posts are really full of disrespect very often :sad:

PS: it's very sad this thread is so progressive and my time here is very limited. Parts I've read were very interesting(except some stupid-sorry for that expression, but I can't help myself and I am not the only one who thinks it-posts)

[HappyAdolf]

Hmm, that's maybe the reason that Mircea wants to stop that discussion about that...

[Mircea the Oldman]

The Campagne in Rusia was lost because of: 3 Gnerals.. Winter, Cold and Storm. And.. other factors: like guerilla war made by the local poeple to get free from the agressors, the far way form home that means the suplies were hard to get.

The One thing where he losts is that he didn't wait.... deam HItler did the same mistake.. (why poeple can't learn from history....)

If he staied at the gates of Russia till spring, with no dubt he was victorious, and the blocade against UK of course would succed soo he could get in the kneese Britan, and he could relised the first United Europe.... (I wander for how many years....)

[HappyAdolf]

Jup. The cold Russian winter was a very frustrating experience for every leader who tried to conquer Russia...
That some people can never wait :D
The Russian people had a very good plan to defeat Napoleon: They burnt down all houses in their capital city and when Napoleon's forces arrived they nearly died of the cold and had no houses to sleep inside and had to sleep outside in the cold.

[Kuno of Gersenau]

i don't think that blocade against GB really succesed, there were too many smugglers...

[Mircea the Oldman]

well let's think, if all teritory that is at the sea side... of europe, north europe, est europe, west europe was in Napoleon's hands.... commerce from BG to continet would freeze.. soo... the economy of GB would suffer....realy hard, becose many products... were sold on continent...

[HappyAdolf]

Yeah.
Did you know that GB was never conquered after 1066.
William the Conqueror was the last one to conquer the British isles.

[Mircea the Oldman]

The first and the last... Becose The Roman Empire didn't conquer the hole island and the Irish one.. so we can;t say that they did....

[Hector]

well that is not correct Adolf i did 8)