Shadow of WWII; Poland threatining to sue Germany for war indemnitys.

[Miles Teg]

IIRC there was a German female EU parliamentarian, Erika something...?, who strongly argued for not admitting Poland and the Czech Republic if they didn't compensate these former Prusians and Sudetengermans. So I do think that there is a strong unofficial lobbygroup behind them. And some official marginalized political support, as I understand that these views aren't very houseclean in German politics today.


O what a great lobby. A single member of parliament, Erika Steinbach (not a EU parliamentarian), accidentally from the party which is not governing in Germany and additionally from the same party as the former chancellor Helmut Kohl who self declined any demand for ever for the former German territories for the sake of the reunification of the BRD and the GDR. Since Poland and Germany are now members of the EU, the EU itself has the right to interfere if there really would happen a single action, not pure stupid babbling.


I also think that you are exagerating the greed of Poland. There is a real fright in Poland off German ecomimical might, that Germans will try to buy all their former land. So when a German group starts to shout about war indemnitys the Poles, wise from lessons from the past, starts with the heavy guns and takes a firm stance from the beginning.
Remember there wasn't any talk from the Polish side of war indemnitys before these lunatics appeared...

1953 Poland itself resigned any further compensations of Germany after the allocation of the German eastern territories. You first said it is enough but now you (some of you) say it's not enough. What is it other than greed?


And I don't get what you mean with "the Polish behaviour" as a newcommer.
AFAIK the EU is a union off equals. Should Poland sit down and shut up when it's under pressure?

New member in the EU, but loud support for the USA ind the Irak case. Or what about the Eu constitution? New member but instantly the desire, and not only the desire, but the demand of almost equal right to say in the EU like the major European nations (France, Germany) in the question of vote distribution. Seems like the classic elefant in the porcelain shop :rolleyes:
A newcomer who instantly trembles down the porcelain of those countries which were members long before Poland became one. That's how to make friends and how to gain respect

[Bora]

i think people should pay for bad things they have done. but i also think like angryminer in some cases they come really late to ask for some "penalties"
in a case is also sad that our generation must pay for things that 1 or 2 generations before us did. thats like you go to jail because your grand grand grandfather had killed or stolen something.
i know its really bad what happened in ww2 and if there are still peopel alive who had done something bad, i say go and get them! but its unfair to let poeple pay for who had done absolutly nothing about it.

[Sir Turylon]

few observations from across the pond.

1. You guys are still going on about WW2 and who owes who? Come on.. bigger problems than which German killed which Polish farmer's cow in 1939... *points at the terrorist attacks in Russia* Notice how they are creeping westward into Europe now?

2. Using courts to solve problems that happened DECADES ago only creates more problems. Stop trying to restore "the old territory of the great Prussian empire... or w/e it is.

3. Yet another reason why the EU should go. :)
the EU itself has the right to interfere

4. Leave Poland's backing of the US over Iraq out of it. It is not their fault they chose to stand within their old alliance. :go:

5. Just do what the Democrats over here do... throw a couple billion dollars at the problem and see if it goes away... after a few decades and trillions of debt... time to start thinking about letting History to the historians.

@Fry
There are people in America who get money from the government b/c their great great grandfather or mother was a slave. Now can someone explain that one to me?

This is simple... Many blacks think the government, that freed them, owes them money now for the hardships their 4th generation removed suffered. Fact is.. if anyone was to pay, it'd be the British, Dutch, French, Portugeuse, and Spanish governments. Paying somebody money for something that happened over 100 years ago is just foolish. Get over it... move on...Nobody is holding you back except yourself. Instead of trying to "blend into" the American culture, the black community is trying to exhalt themselves morally over the others... "You ensalved us, that means you're not as morally advanced as we are." This malarky is grade A bonified hypocracy. Instead of building upon their past to secure a better future, they are using their past as a means to gain handouts. (and yes, I hate how Democrats do nothing but give free money out...utter nonsense... If you Euros ever want to know why the US budget is so bad... $500,000,000 + $600,000,000 each year for social handouts ie social security and welfare.. cut those.. surplus for the next 30 years...maybe even buy Canada... turn it into a few states ;) )

[Ledhead]

few observations from across the pond.

1. You guys are still going on about WW2 and who owes who? Come on.. bigger problems than which German killed which Polish farmer's cow in 1939... *points at the terrorist attacks in Russia* Notice how they are creeping westward into Europe now?




Sad and disrespectful conclusion to read when Poland lost 6 million civilians (not military) in that war, that was 1/6 of its population. Poland today has the same population as it had 1939, 60 years after the war...
I was going to say something real disrespectful about your puny 3000 casualties from WTC...but OK, I'll let it slide this time... :nono:

[Miles Teg]

2. Using courts to solve problems that happened DECADES ago only creates more problems. Stop trying to restore "the old territory of the great Prussian empire... or w/e it is.

Actually there is no trial outgoing from a German, or better from a person of the Prussina Trust or the Prussian Truast as a whole. There are only pithy words coming from them. but there is a decision from the Polish parliament for further compensation - although resigend in 1953 - and there is a single Polish women (Brodacka) who is sueing Germany for long gone evil. Who is sueing whom here?

My own evaluation of this situation is the following. The only the thing the "Prussians" (the Trust and the retarded Steinbach) wanted to achieve was first to cook up the whole thing, which is not that hard regarding Polands fear of Germany ( :rolleyes: ) and the warped perception of Steinbach in Poland ( in Poland Steinbach seems mightier than the chancellor :rofl: ) and the second was to achieve a unilateral broke of the former Polish resign for further compensation cause you have to remember Germany itself resigned a relinquishment for its former territories but if Poland brokes first, why should Germany not brake his resign or why should German people (the guys from this Trust) now have any scruple to sue Poland or to start trials at the EU courtyards?



3. Yet another reason why the EU should go. :)

How is this meant?



4. Leave Poland's backing of the US over Iraq out of it. It is not their fault they chose to stand within their old alliance. :go:


No, cause it is an example for the Polish behavior as a new member in the EU. It's not a matter of being of different opinions in the EU - hell they have in many times different opinions, it is aboput the way it was expressed and this is best characterized with the elefant in the porcelain shop. The new demand from the Polish parliament is just another example for this

[Sir Turylon]

Sad and disrespectful conclusion to read when Poland lost 6 million civilians (not military) in that war, that was 1/6 of its population. Poland today has the same population as it had 1939, 60 years after the war...


sad that you think a comment about Polish cows being killed relates to the holocaust... Please do not distort what I said to something I did not comment on. 6 million Jews, 5 million others... Holocaust has nothing to do with German soldiers killing cows in Poland.

I made the comment Germans killing Polish cows, because this whole argument sounds just as hysterically inept in it's concept. Perhaps... it would be better if the EU declared it was the only soverign body in Europe and eliminate any form of state patriotism and nationalism like the US did in the 1860s. Ya'll squabble way too much with each other.

Now, the petty differences between Poland and Germany are FAR outweighed by the consequences of not stopping the new Nazism... Russia thought they could allow the extremists to exist on their border... well... I hope Putin got the message. Stop squabbling over who took whose land decades ago! wake up and smell the burning jihad against western culture! If you can't remember, Europe got broadsided more than once by extremist organizations coming from the middle east and east of the danube.


BTW Ledhead, wasn't the Holocaust "reimbursed" years ago? *points at state of Israel*

[Angryminer]

Eh, I don't think terrorism is a good topic at the moment. Putin is using the struggle against terrorism to monopolize political power in the Duma while the russian population is still shocked by the events in Beslan.
Maybe we should stick to the topic of this thread and discuss terrorism and the filthy politicians that use the fight against terrorism to gather even more power in another thread.

In my opinion the polish parliament did the wrong thing to confront the prussian threat. Due to the promisses made in 1953 Germany won't be willing to pay anything. This leaves Poland without any support and the possibility of defense against the Prussian Trust which was surely awaiting this move.
In fact the Prussian Trust has near-to-no support in Germany. Yet the polish parliament feels threatened enough to react in such an ... inpolite way. It would have been wiser to wait for the Prussian Trust to begin the action and then defend yourself against the prussian 'aggressors'. Now there are the polish 'aggressors' and the Prussian Trust just has to wait until everybody refuses help for Poland.
It's just the polish that feel threatened. No one else takes the Prussian Trust for sure and no one would support their claims.


I noticed that this post might actually offend people. Please note that this is just my opinion. Thanks for your patience. :go:


Angryminer

[King Yngvar]

There are people in America who get money from the government b/c their great great grandfather or mother was a slave. Now can someone explain that one to me?

I did not know, but it makes me sick...

Maybe there is someone that killed my x30 grandfather, I will sue their x30 grandson!