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Poland threatens to sue Germany because a group of German refugees from the former eastern parts of Germany who had to leave after the war is threatening to sue Poland...
Feelings and thoughts anyone?
How is the debate going in Germany (AFAIK the German government has denounced the refugees claims)? Haven't been able to read much about this in the Swedish press yet.
In Poland I heard that the mayor of Warszawa is preparing to sue Germany for damages during the war (95% IIRC were destroyed because of the war).
Angryminer
11-09-2004, 12:38
My thought:
A bit late...
Angryminer
HappyAdolf
11-09-2004, 12:54
Yup.
The war is over since 1945 and now they start to complain about damages...
45 years of communism and the Cold war delayed the process.
Yup.
The war is over since 1945 and now they start to complain about damages...
The Polish starts to raise claims because the threat of being sued by Germans...
Miles Teg
11-09-2004, 22:02
Poland threatens to sue Germany because a group of German refugees from the former eastern parts of Germany who had to leave after the war is threatening to sue Poland...
Feelings and thoughts anyone?
How is the debate going in Germany (AFAIK the German government has denounced the refugees claims)? Haven't been able to read much about this in the Swedish press yet.
In Poland I heard that the mayor of Warszawa is preparing to sue Germany for damages during the war (95% IIRC were destroyed because of the war).
These group of refugees has already been compensated with the "Lastenausgleichsgesetz". They can eternally move in a circle they won't get anything at all any longer. These is just a small group retarded people, who name themself the Prussian Trust. Prussia is long long gone
And for Poland I am just wondering or didn't it get 1/5 of the german national territory including such rich regions like Silesia. Is that not enough? Well, it seem so! Then maybe every country in this world should take a look in his own history and seek for compensation for long gone experienced sorrow. Who was responsible for the Thirty Years war? Window lintel of Prague? Maybe Germany should demand compensation from Czech, after all many parts of Germany were devastated within this war. :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
The polish parliaments action is more then counterproductive. Reciprocative counting up utilizes nobody
Largefry07
11-09-2004, 23:57
There are people in America who get money from the government b/c their great great grandfather or mother was a slave. Now can someone explain that one to me?
These group of refugees has already been compensated with the "Lastenausgleichsgesetz". They can eternally move in a circle they won't get anything at all any longer. These is just a small group retarded people, who name themself the Prussian Trust. Prussia is long long gone
And for Poland I am just wondering or didn't it get 1/5 of the german national territory including such rich regions like Silesia. Is that not enough? Well, it seem so! Then maybe every country in this world should take a look in his own history and seek for compensation for long gone experienced sorrow. Who was responsible for the Thirty Years war? Window lintel of Prague? Maybe Germany should demand compensation from Czech, after all many parts of Germany were devastated within this war. :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
The polish parliaments action is more then counterproductive. Reciprocative counting up utilizes nobody
The post war borders of Poland was decided by the Russians. The Russians wanted to move their border westward.IIRC Churchill opposed the Russians but an ill Roosevelt didn't have the strenght to resist the Russians. Polands lost terrotories in the east was compensated with German territory in the west. Poland legitimate government had no doing in this. It's ironic that the country which the Allies went to war to save hadn't any saying in the peace treaties...historicaly Slask (Silesia, or Schlesien) hadn't been under Polish rule for at least 600-700 years.
And as for the Polish parliament I think that they are only reacting on the threat of being brought to court by lunatics. So they hope that the German government will put a leash on those x-"Prussians".
Albanian_Empire
12-09-2004, 04:16
Poland making a big mistake because it is Germany who helps them economically and they better don't do it, otherwise they starve without Germany's help that's my opinion
Miles Teg
12-09-2004, 13:00
The post war borders of Poland was decided by the Russians. The Russians wanted to move their border westward. IIRC Churchill opposed the Russians but an ill Roosevelt didn't have the strenght to resist the Russians.
Russians, Britons, Americans, I don't see any German involved in the loss of the eastern territories. Maybe Poland should seek for compensation in this countries?
Polands lost terrotories in the east was compensated with German territory in the west. Poland legitimate government had no doing in this. It's ironic that the country which the Allies went to war to save hadn't any saying in the peace treaties...historicaly Slask (Silesia, or Schlesien) hadn't been under Polish rule for at least 600-700 years.
To declare the german territories which became polish as a compensation is a good excuse. Fact is Churchill and Roosevelt were to weak to resist Stalin, Germany was not involved in this farce. So why to blame Germany for the loss in the east? Maybe cause Germany was the loser, and with the loser it could be done?
Russians, Britons, Americans, I don't see any German involved in the loss of the eastern territories. Maybe Poland should seek for compensation in this countries?
To declare the german territories which became polish as a compensation is a good excuse. Fact is Churchill and Roosevelt were to weak to resist Stalin, Germany was not involved in this farce. So why to blame Germany for the loss in the east? Maybe cause Germany was the loser, and with the loser it could be done?
I don't get your reasoning. Germany should hands down get its old territory back hands down, and Poland can try get its old territory back from the states that today are Belarus and Ukrainia?! And what should Belarus and Ukrainia then do...?
The Allies (without Poland) dictated the border treaties, so why should Poland be held accountable by some Germans?!
Do you know the mechanics of action and consequence?
The German action was to unprovoced START a ruthless and savage war of extermination! Germany lost and the consequence was that it lost some of it's territory. Just like all losers of war do. IMO Germany got away cheap for what it did...but then again the rest of the world tried to act "civilized" and only hold the guilty accountable.
Poland didn't want the war but got it!
Poland didn't ask for the new borders but got them!
I think these Germans have forgot who was to blame for the situation they are in now. It's the German state that have to take responsibility for them. If they don't have the land to relocate them within their own country, then compensate them with money.
Poland making a big mistake because it is Germany who helps them economically and they better don't do it, otherwise they starve without Germany's help that's my opinion
I don't think Poland recieves any foreign aid from Germany or any other country either btw.
Finellach
12-09-2004, 16:49
I think this all is blown out of proportions and I believe we should leave it for the two countries goverments to solve it out.
Why ignore a good topic to debate?
It's not like we've hadn't had any controversial topics here before...
Miles Teg
12-09-2004, 18:49
I don't think Poland recieves any foreign aid from Germany or any other country either btw.
Who is the greatest net payer of the EU in which Poland is now a member? I guess you know who is it. And don't tell that Poland, a land which is agricultural oriented, does not get anything from the EU.
I don't get your reasoning. Germany should hands down get its old territory back hands down, and Poland can try get its old territory back from the states that today are Belarus and Ukrainia?! And what should Belarus and Ukrainia then do...?
Did I say someone should get back its former territory? No, neither Poland, Germany or someone else, cause it would only mean another expulsion, another evil. But was Germany responsible for the polish loss in the east? No, if you want compensation for that ask Russia, Great Britain oy anyone else invloved in this.
The Allies (without Poland) dictated the border treaties, so why should Poland be held accountable by some Germans?!
Am I a member of the Prussian Trust who wants bach his former plot of land? No. So I don't know why they are wanting to sue the new polish owners of their former plot of lands. Ask them not me.
Do you know the mechanics of action and consequence?
The German action was to unprovoced START a ruthless and savage war of extermination!
Ah, the killer argument :rolleyes:
Funnily enough, that most, or better nearly all germans - including me - did not have started the war or did not commit a single crime which happen in this war on both sides, cause we didn't still live.
Germany lost and the consequence was that it lost some of it's territory. Just like all losers of war do. IMO Germany got away cheap for what it did...but then again the rest of the world tried to act "civilized" and only hold the guilty accountable.
Cheap away? 1/5 of its national territory with all the inventory is cheap? Good that you were not responsible for this treaty or else we would have gotten another treaty of Versailles which made another war not only likely but even implacable. Luckily the guys responsible for kept their reason
Poland didn't want the war but got it!
Poland didn't ask for the new borders but got them!
Most of the germans - including me - didn't start the war (Why? See above). But we get blamed for, even if we can't anything for. Poland already got its compensation, and this was not few but it seems that is was not enough according to the polish parliament. Stupidly Poland does get money from the EU (Germany ---> see above) and not few Poles are working in Germany for earning their living. Good that the greedy - yeah that's exactly what it is - demand is counterproductive to German-Polish relation :rolleyes:
I think these Germans have forgot who was to blame for the situation they are in now. It's the German state that have to take responsibility for them. If they don't have the land to relocate them within their own country, then compensate them with money.
As I already said they had already their compensation via the "Lastenausgleichsgesetz", they already had gotten money as compensation.
the knightly sword
12-09-2004, 21:10
:sick: good reason to get cash that they dont have. but its dirty and most likley ugly to sue about something that happend long ago :sick:
:sick: good reason to get cash that they dont have. but its dirty and most likley ugly to sue about something that happend long ago :sick:
Who do you mean?
A German group is threatning to sue Poland, and Poland is threatning to countersue to make the Germans drop their "claims"...
the knightly sword
12-09-2004, 21:59
ohhhh sorry i read wrong :) stupid me. so its sueing war :cool: i havent heard much about that in sweden.
Miles Teg
13-09-2004, 10:24
Who do you mean?
A German group is threatning to sue Poland, and Poland is threatning to countersue to make the Germans drop their "claims"...
With the differnece that this is a group of retarded "Prussian" people who have no lobby, no support by politician and are only shouting aloud with pithy words without suiting the action to these words. And from which side the greedy demand comes from in Poland is rather obvious and rather official, rom polsih politicians. Thats a huge difference, not to forget the polish behaviour as a newcomer in the EU :rolleyes:
With the differnece that this is a group of retarded "Prussian" people who have no lobby, no support by politician and are only shouting aloud with pithy words without suiting the action to these words. And from which side the greedy demand comes from in Poland is rather obvious and rather official, rom polsih politicians. Thats a huge difference, not to forget the polish behaviour as a newcomer in the EU :rolleyes:
IIRC there was a German female EU parliamentarian, Erika something...?, who strongly argued for not admitting Poland and the Czech Republic if they didn't compensate these former Prusians and Sudetengermans. So I do think that there is a strong unofficial lobbygroup behind them. And some official marginalized political support, as I understand that these views aren't very houseclean in German politics today.
I also think that you are exagerating the greed of Poland. There is a real fright in Poland off German ecomimical might, that Germans will try to buy all their former land. So when a German group starts to shout about war indemnitys the Poles, wise from lessons from the past, starts with the heavy guns and takes a firm stance from the beginning.
Remember there wasn't any talk from the Polish side of war indemnitys before these lunatics appeared...
And I don't get what you mean with "the Polish behaviour" as a newcommer.
AFAIK the EU is a union off equals. Should Poland sit down and shut up when it's under pressure?
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