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Originally posted by Elewyn
You do heve sth like "one figure army": the knight and around him you can see his troops. It is on the screenshots at more close view, like this:
http://www.avault.com/news/avscreenshots.asp?pic=knighthonor&num=3&story=11212003-1134
or this:
http://www.avault.com/news/avscreenshots.asp?pic=knighthonor&num=2&story=11212003-1134
You can't group archers with pikemen into one group, Frank explained it above.
well then i think it is like in "the other medieval game" right?
Angryminer
08-12-2003, 22:58
"You can't group different unit-types together"
means that you can't select archers AND pikemen, press strg+1 and have them forced into one group.
You may assign a group of archers, a group of pikemen and a group of peasants to a knight. Then you can say to the knight "attack that evil bastard over there" and he will take his archers, pikemen and peasents and give that bastard hell ;) .
But you won't be able to select both archers and pikemen simultaniously in battle (in close view). You would have to klick the archers, tell them to attack those enemies, and then select the pikemen and tell them to attack those enemies too.
Understandable?
Angryminer
"You can't group different unit-types together"
means that you can't select archers AND pikemen, press strg+1 and have them forced into one group.
You may assign a group of archers, a group of pikemen and a group of peasants to a knight. Then you can say to the knight "attack that evil bastard over there" and he will take his archers, pikemen and peasents and give that bastard hell ;) .
But you won't be able to select both archers and pikemen simultaniously in battle (in close view). You would have to klick the archers, tell them to attack those enemies, and then select the pikemen and tell them to attack those enemies too.
Understandable?
Probably more, than ehat I wrote:) but meant the same:cheers:
I’m beginning to be a bit confused, because if you can’t group the different units together like in AOK, how will an archer unit react when they are attacked by cavalry?
There must be some different defensive and offensive stances which you can order you troops to stand in. I.e. when attacked by cavalry you would probable tell your pike-men to stand in front of the army to combat them.
greywulf
09-12-2003, 02:41
If it's like MTW then you physically have to put a unit of pike in front of the archers, or perhaps there are a few preset formations for cavalry defense, cavalry offense, and so on. That would make sense.
There must be predefined stances - there simply gotta be.
Otherwise I can foresee this scenario: your army which consist of a 1000 men - of these 100 are archers and 200 are pikemen, standing on the battlefield with the archers in front ready to fire a deadly rain of arrow upon your enemy’s infantry, when suddenly out of nowhere you see his cavalry come charging toward your column of archers – what do you do in order to protect the archers ?
Answer: You’ll ofcouse want to get your pikemen between your archers and the enemy’s cavalry.
And It is here I’ll hope they have made a “switch stance” option, because I don’t think that you would have the time to first tell your archers to walk back, thereafter tell your pikemen to go forward. Some would say that, to save some valuable time, you could just tell the pikemen to stand in front of the archers, so you only would have to move one type of unit, but that would only work IF the battlefield is so long that when your pikemen moves in front, then there is still a good distance between them and you enemy’s archers ! – otherwise your pikemen would just fall victim to their arrows.
You would ofcourse, never have this problem if the battlefield always are large, but then again can we count on that ?
There is probably a skirmish order for missile units, like in MTW. When the enemies melee units come too close to archers, the archers retreat.
It also depends on how are the units fast, especially the cavalry. And Frank promissed battles won't pass for a long time, so they will probably be fast:)
How to solve your example?
First: send your pikemen infront, against the enemy's cavalry, but not far from archers' possitions.
Then, if it would be possible let them go thru archers' rows and move archers back to secure distance.
And then send pikemen slowly, step by step back to be outside the range of enemy's archers :) :cheers:
Angryminer
09-12-2003, 17:26
Situation: Your pikemen are standing behind the archers. Your archers are giving those bastard down the hill hell.
Evil mastermind PC-Knight attacks your archers with heavy cavalry. Your archers discharge and run for their lives like cowards (as a archer I would do that, too).
Your pikemen stay in position (we all know that pikemen 0wn cavalry ;) ). You command the pikemen to kill those cavalry-bastards and soon the pikes of your men are red with horse- and enemy-blood. After that slaughter you scroll to your archers (they shouldn't have run too far, because the horse-men didn't follow them) and command them to move back to the position on the hill to wreak further terror among your foes.
If your archers don't run you would propably have to command them back, but that's only two clicks (one on the archer's-flag, and one on the position behind the pikemen).
Oh, new definition of "You can only select one type of units":
All units belong to a 'squad'. Every squad has a flag-carrier and you select a squad by clicking that flag. But there can only be one type of units in a squad. You can't mix a small squad of pikemen and a small squad of archers to one large squad of pike-archers, because archers hate pikemen and pikemen hate archers ;) .
Angryminer
Emhyr var Emreis
09-12-2003, 17:42
Originally posted by Angryminer
Situation: Your pikemen are standing behind the archers...Angryminer
Looks better:angel:
:cheers:
You need to pull your archers back when the cavelry attacks. The enemy will have archers of there own and once your pikemen are done i am sure he will use his archers to pick of your pikemen. For all we know he could propably have another group of cavelry waiting in the forest. Once he picked of the pikemen he sends in the rest of his cavelry and wipe out the rest of you troops.
Emhyr var Emreis
09-12-2003, 17:57
So then you send your 700 cavalrymen on his archers and his cavalry and destroy him. You said you had army of 1000men, did you?
Originally posted by Emhyr var Emreis
So then you send your 700 cavalrymen on his archers and his cavalry and destroy him. You said you had army of 1000men, did you?
Yes, i did say that :) .............but i did not make any comments on what the rest of the army would consist of ;) - i don't think many could aford to buy 700 cavalry men, cause i think that they would be very expensive.
:) :) :)
Emhyr var Emreis
10-12-2003, 10:37
Originally posted by Henrik
Yes, i did say that :) .............but i did not make any comments on what the rest of the army would consist of ;) - i don't think many could aford to buy 700 cavalry men, cause i think that they would be very expensive.
:) :) :)
Really, it will be too expensive(for you,not for me, I'm the great emperor of Nilfgaard and thousands of knights are no problem for me. Well may be if I'm king of Wallachia:)). So then I think it's enoough to send about 200? :) :)
Angryminer
10-12-2003, 11:34
I'll make it short...
Last step:
0wn them!
Oh, and Cork2:
"You need to pull your archers back when the cavelry attacks. The enemy will have archers of there own and once your pikemen are done i am sure he will use his archers to pick of your pikemen."
1. Your archers will pull back by themselves, because the sight of a squad of heavy cavalry is the most frightening thing an archer can think of. (I don't think they would hold position, even if their morale is higher than the morale of a soccer-fan who's team just won 56:0 vs the evil-soccer-grand-master-team-of-death ;) )
2. That's why you are always to position your units on a hill, because then they will be able to attack without being attacked.
Angryminer
Maybe they will pull back, but that will be in total panic and disorder which you really don't need ! the last thing you want is to have your units flee from the battlefield - so we simplt need a system to control the the units stances IMO
Angryminer
10-12-2003, 18:38
Angryminer the archer says:
"F*** that stances! RUN FOR YOUR LIVES!!!!"
Angryminer
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