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Mircoslavux
11-07-2005, 10:10
Haha, Sentra's right!
And yes - the war in Iraq was only (or atleast mainly) for the oil. All this nonsense about mass weapons, dictatorship, liberation of the Iraqis, war with terrorism etc. is only an excuse for the political establishment of Mr. Bush in Iraq and it's oil. Because, in the long-term, all the expenses about the war would return with a very high interest. Atleast, that's what I think...
correct, But I'm not pretty sure, if G.Bush is a lord of his own and not only a figure in the hands of others. :angry:
It was actually good that he attacked iraq. He would have to sooner or later do that. Everyone knows that saddam was a big supporter of al qaida and bin laden.Saddam was terrible dictator who was terrorizing his own people but he was everything but supporter of Al Qaeda!!
Al Qaeda sterted to be ally of Saddam AFTER Bush started his illegal invasion to Iraq (true that against kinda illegal regime! but why doesn't Bush attack other illegal regimes? one of them is just on US borders, in Cuba!)
Webmaster
12-07-2005, 10:31
coz cuba is protected by russia !!!
why doesn't the US isn't attacking north korea? coz the chinese don't want it. there are always protectors of 2nd and 3rd world countries, mostly of the resources ;(
conquestare legionare
12-07-2005, 12:13
Saddam was terrible dictator who was terrorizing his own people but he was everything but supporter of Al Qaeda!!
Yes he was an supporter of al qaida. Who do you think gave money to there operations?? money cant be obtained by terrorists there only option is steal it or threaten an nation for it which have never happend . Saddam freely gave support and money after the Gulf-war.
Mircoslavux
12-07-2005, 12:16
Yes he was an supporter of al qaida. Who do you think gave money to there operations?? money cant be obtained by terrorists there only option is steal it or threaten an nation for it which have never happend . Saddam freely gave support and money after the Gulf-war.
maybe yes and maybe not - We do not know the true and we will probably never know.
There are many speculations...
Webmaster
12-07-2005, 14:02
there is no proof of a relation between saddam and al quida ... saddam was a dictator and a long time "friend" of the US ... there were other terror groups before al quida ... gaddafi support such groups
Traveller
12-07-2005, 14:47
Yes, Saddam was a friend of the US. Bin Laden also (you know, he was trained from the CIA to fight the Soviets from Afghanistan). While Kadaffi is one of the big supporters of terrorism. Remember Loccarby (not sure of the spelling)? And an year ago he wanted to trade five innocent Bulgarian nurses and one Palestinian doctor for the terrorist from Loccarby. His men tortured our nurses, but the torturers were found "not guilty" from their soooo "fair" court... Our nurses are accused for intentionally infecting nearly 400 Libyan kids with AIDS and were sentenced to death, although world specialists, like Montanier and Colizzi (those who discovered the AIDSyndrome), testified that the reasons are actually because of poor conditions in the hospitals (multiple use of "one time only" syringes and such) and have started before the nurses had come to Libya. Many international organizations agreed (Amnesty International f.e.) that the conditions in the hospitals and the prisons are below the needed level and have stated that in multiple times. Human rights are constantly violated in Libya, but yet both the EU and especially the USA get closer and closer to Libya. The US stopped the embargo. EU talked also about furthering their financial relations. Well, how come Saddam is evil and Kadaffi is an angel? If Bush really wanted democracy over the world, human rights, war with terror etc. he would've "freed" Libya, not Iraq. But Libya doesn't have Iraq's oil, neither North Korea, so it's useless to attack them...
Yes he was an supporter of al qaida. Who do you think gave money to there operations?? money cant be obtained by terrorists there only option is steal it or threaten an nation for it which have never happend . Saddam freely gave support and money after the Gulf-war.
give me a single proof that is not from US governmental sources (they lie) There is no such proof.
Also Saddam was one of the main enemies of fundamentalistic organisations in islamic world(after Saudi Arabian US-vassal regime) as he was the most secularistic(anti-religious) leader in islamic world (even more anti-religious than "secularized" Turkey)
Saddam and Al Qaida became allies when the US invaded Iraq and Saddam needed any support! Saddam was everything but islamic fundamentalist dictator like Qadafi supporting fundamentalist terrorism. Al Qaida became powerfull in Iraq after US invasion. It was Georgie, not Saddam, who made Iraq one of Al Qaida's strongest bases
conquestare legionare
12-07-2005, 23:10
I might not be able to back up my statement but saddam i atleast know supported the operations in israel and thats enough for me to know that saddam is a terrable terrorist dictator . he provided the groups in palastine with both small arms , explosives and money. even thought israel is violateing some of the highest human laws fighting the occupiers with terrorism and the same brute force is not the solution.
coz cuba is protected by russia !!!
why doesn't the US isn't attacking north korea? coz the chinese don't want it. there are always protectors of 2nd and 3rd world countries, mostly of the resources ;(
Nope Cuba isn't protected by russia, it was when the Soviet Union was on, but after it fall Cuba was left alone. The thing is that cube doesn't have Oil or any resourse worth fighting for like the arab countries do.
Webmaster
13-07-2005, 10:00
/sarcasm
cuba has cigars, no human rights and guantanamo
conquestare legionare
13-07-2005, 11:25
Cuba do not longer oppose an international threat. they did at the time of soviet union were rocketpads were placed . people were fearing that soviet could launch nuclear missles at usa cities or any other cities from there base in cuba.now days cuba is not even near the name threat. any nation can easily overwhelm there military. there is much corruption in cuban area .much of drug buissnes.
No.. no drugs, no like mexico and other central/south america countries. Sure some drugs might pass by Cuba but not as in mexico and the such. Cuba is more of a strategic location, control it and you control the gulf of mexico.
Cuba doesn't represent a international thread, but Fidel those. Who do you think supports the "Guerrillas" in south america. Who do you think supports the new president of Venezuela? He is doing th same Fidel did. Fidel is trying to make south america go into communism and is trying to make everyone oppose US.
And yes, actually there is alot of corruption, but is more of a goverment made thing. Fidel castro controls every single thing in cuba. He has total control, people can't even say what they think. If you say anything that is considered agaist Fidel's rule you will be taken prisoner. You can't protest, you basically have no rights, you are like fidels property basically. There is alot of crime, but is justify, there is no food, only those that steal can eat at least a egg. Those that are close to fidel live the best, but most of the population live extramly bad. You get for a month half of a soap, 5lb of rice 2 of beans and maybe a little beat of meat. Now do you think any1 can live a month with this ???? People have to steal. Now you might say where I'm getting this info from? Well easy I used to live there 5 years ago, yes I'm Cuban and proud of it, we have the best cigars in the world :go: .
My Grandad was imprisonet in the 60's because he protested agaist fidel. He was in jail for 6 years one of which he said he was compleatly naked because they didnt even gave them clothes, only a piece of bread and a cup of water for the day. He has told us(the family) stories of his live during those years, he lost 2 friends, Fidel order them to be killed, and they weren't the only ones. Then in the 90's he was granted permition by the US to come because he was against castros rules and then in 2000 me and my family came. Now this might show a little beat of what fidel has done in the pass 40 years.
Webmaster
14-07-2005, 09:55
every system based on dictators is bad ... the paladin's have a good life and the people suffer! this was with hitler, honeker and all the others and is with kim yong-il, fidel, saddam, gadafi ... and many more!
but fidel is old. it's sad that this maybe the only hope for the people of cuba.
Mircoslavux
14-07-2005, 10:09
every system based on dictators is bad ... the paladin's have a good life and the people suffer! this was with hitler, honeker and all the others and is with kim yong-il, fidel, saddam, gadafi ... and many more!
but fidel is old. it's sad that this maybe the only hope for the people of cuba.
My experience and feeling from Ost-block countries is this one:
After 40 years of communism and dictatorship, most of people lost their ability for selfleaderships and are like sheeps. They need strong leader, without him, they can not (or are afraid) do any decision (I'm not speaking about correct decision but only decision). They are like children and need to take hand.
Webmaster
14-07-2005, 10:13
a strong leader maybe a good thing ... as long as it is based on respect, freedom and democrazy !!!
Mircoslavux
14-07-2005, 10:14
a strong leader maybe a good thing ... as long as it is based on respect, freedom and democrazy !!!
" ...but the hearth of men is easily corrupted..." (with power, money, ..) You remember where it was?!
conquestare legionare
14-07-2005, 11:17
" ...but the hearth of men is easily corrupted..." (with power, money, ..) You remeber where it was?
Imperfection is the only answer........ Which gives people many abilities in loseing morale in any kind of situation. Any human can do the worset with out thinking twice.
Sadly the only hope we might have is that he dies of old age, but I wouldn't like that as it would be like winning for him. I would like him to be imprisonet and make him suffer for what he has done. That s.o.a.b should rot in a jail.
People in Cuba have fear, no one has weapons,only people that work in government. Over 95% of the population oppose him but they can't do anything, because if you are cought even saing something against him you will be taken prisoner. People have just got used to living that way, and all they can do is try to pass the day with the few dollars their family in other countries can send them, because in average people make 5-6 dollars a month...
My experience and feeling from Ost-block countries is this one:
After 40 years of communism and dictatorship, most of people lost their ability for selfleaderships and are like sheeps. They need strong leader, without him, they can not (or are afraid) do any decision (I'm not speaking about correct decision but only decision). They are like children and need to take hand.
I would disagree with this. They can do own decisions.
But they got used to be lazy in general and relied on state help in too many cases (free health system, free education, too benevolent social system, being oficialy unemployed is worthier than work) things about strong leader are much more connected with longer-lasting things like values and traditions. The border of this goes about 1000 km easter of west border of Eastern-block in Europe
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