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Mircoslavux
18-07-2005, 09:07
I would disagree with this. They can do own decisions.

But they got used to be lazy in general and relied on state help in too many cases (free health system, free education, too benevolent social system, being oficialy unemployed is worthier than work) things about strong leader are much more connected with longer-lasting things like values and traditions. The border of this goes about 1000 km easter of west border of Eastern-block in Europe


Yes they can do their own decisions, but are they right?

We still have to learn to much. I have many experiences in cooperations with peoples: Czechs , Slovaks and Hungarians. And In many cases (not all), they are very very slowly to take decision ( i do not speak about the right one), they do not know, they have to ask, they have not enough time to do the things, what are needed (but enough time to do the others). And many of this people are in leading position (directiors, managers and so on). Whta then about the people in lower levels?.

Elvain
19-07-2005, 11:53
well, the productivity of work is low generaly, that's right. But I don't think that generally they are so slow in thinking and so wrong in deciding.

The true is that many people don't want to work on somebody else and are too lazy to work on their own but it has improved a lot as I see it in Prague. Especialy in not-local companies, but also in many local ones.
The worst it is (generaly) in state organizations and administrative

Traveller
21-07-2005, 14:18
Btw, something not exactly about terrorism, but about Lybia and their diplomats (I still think that Qadafi is the greatest supporter of terrorism in the Islamic world):
A few days ago I watched on the TV news about a 19 year old Lybian boy, son of a Lybian diplomat in Bulgaria. This boy happened to hit with his diplomatic car a 21 year old girl on a motorcycle. After that he tried to escape, but the people nearby stopped him until the police came. But except the police, also diplomats form the Lybian embassy came and, according to witnesses, they started insulting the girl and the policemen and telling them they can't do anything to the boy, because it has diplomatic immunity. And indeed, they could do nothing. They could arrest the boy only if the girl had died, which would've happened if she didn't had helmet and other protections.
But the next day I saw something even worse in the papers - a case in the Czech repoublic. It seems that a couple of months ago two 13 year old boys, again sons of Lybian diplomats, raped a 10 year old Czech boy and tried to rape another boy, which managed to run away. Of course, the boys are still free due to the diplomatic immunity and their age.

Now, I'm asking: Isn't this terror, too? Every "diplomat" could do whatever he likes, as long as he's not found guilty for murder, and sow terror and fear among the local people. And the most interesting - I haven't heard of such cases for other diplomats from Iraq, the USA, Korea, France, Zimbabwe or anywhere. It seems that the Lybians are the main, who use their immunity for such purposes. I don't say other diplomats don't do such things, but I do say they don't do it in such matter and scale.

And another thing, while I'm on the Lybia topic (Yeah, I guess I don't like them very much) - I thought about our medics there. I think I've already said that Qadafi wanted to exchange them with the terrorist of Loccerby, but he couldn't. So now they're still in prison with death sentence, kept as political prisoners. It's clear to everybody that the case is no longer juridical, but political. There were numerous proofs for their innocence, but they weren't released. Why? I think it's not only because if Qadafi releases them, he'll have to admit the bad conditions in the Lybian hospitals and to pay the price himself. Except that, I think it's also because of political-psychological reasons. This way he could say: "See! We're not terrorists, we're actually victims of terrorism. It's them, who are the bio-terrorists, the Europeans, the Christians!" Which, of course, brings even more fanatics under his cause. But I can't explain myself one thing - while the EU said that they won't agree with this case (with the 5 nurses), the USA's bettering their relations with Lybia even further. Those, who were supposed to be the greatest enemies of terrorism...

Webmaster
21-07-2005, 14:36
the next subway has been evacuated in london ... there is smoke ... stay tuned

Mircoslavux
21-07-2005, 14:49
the next subway has been evacuated in london ... there is smoke ... stay tuned

read here:
http://edition.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/europe/07/21/london.tube/index.html
:sad:

Webmaster
21-07-2005, 14:58
or in german:
http://www.spiegel.de/panorama/0,1518,366172,00.html

stupid terrorism !!!

conquestare legionare
21-07-2005, 17:03
But the next day I saw something even worse in the papers - a case in the Czech repoublic. It seems that a couple of months ago two 13 year old boys, again sons of Lybian diplomats, raped a 10 year old Czech boy and tried to rape another boy, which managed to run away. Of course, the boys are still free due to the diplomatic immunity and their age.


I got mostly effected by this part of travellers post , honestly im really disquested, I have a young sibling at the age of 13...... .Are you sure that they arent mentally disturbed with any disease. Cause i cannot imagen an 13 year old do that to any creature. But it is senseiable cause if they are mentally disturbed and underaged they should get a mildred punishment. maybe be set in intensive mental care in the looneyhouse but not in prison. Prison that would make there status much worse. a child is weak minded and cant handle the isoltion and lonelyness. You cannot look at an child with cruel eyes no matter which nation they come from.

Traveller
21-07-2005, 17:16
I got mostly effected by this part of travellers post , honestly im really disquested, I have a young sibling at the age of 13...... .Are you sure that they arent mentally disturbed with any disease. Cause i cannot imagen an 13 year old do that to any creature. But it is senseiable cause if they are mentally disturbed and underaged they should get a mildred punishment. maybe be set in intensive mental care in the looneyhouse but not in prison. Prison that would make there status much worse. a child is weak minded and cant handle the isoltion and lonelyness. You cannot look at an child with cruel eyes no matter which nation they come from.
Well, that's what was written in the paper, it didn't mention their mental status. It only said that their fathers will be called back to Lybia with their families. This part affected me the most, too. For me, raping is the worst thing possible, worse than death. Maybe because I have a too high sense of dignity and honour. But a rape of somebody of the same sex from an underaged? Maybe Elvain knows more?

Btw I don't look "with cruel eyes" on nobody, no matter what his origin is. If I don't like some exact person, it's because of his/her deeds. If I don't like a group of people, it's because of the deeds of a great or leading part of this group. Nobody's born good or bad, but in time this changes...

conquestare legionare
21-07-2005, 17:29
Well it sounded like a nut-case. Of all the imagenation i dont think a 13 could get a thought of doing that. And rapeing another child for sex is not normal. its awfully sick and beyond nature of children.
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Mirrakor
06-08-2005, 10:12
Well it sounded like a nut-case. Of all the imagenation i dont think a 13 could get a thought of doing that. And rapeing another child for sex is not normal. its awfully sick and beyond nature of children.
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Hm..It's hard trying to understand part with the boys..but I'd say, that 13(maybe erlier or later? :scratch: ) is the age where they find out their first sexual experiances and maybe want to try out more(/other things) and cause of their parents, which didn't teach them how to live "civilisated", they just did what the wanted to do.
But isn't it "interesting", why raping a boy and not a girl? (maybe sexual complexes?!) A aberration in the childhood i'd say.

But....
What about the Football WM 2006 in Germany?! :eek:
Many trains are traveling around the importanst Stadions, and I'm a bit afraid, cause i'm a commuter which is forces to drive from Offenburg(Karlsruhe-Freiburg) to Pforzheim(Karlsruhe-Stuttgart-Nürnberg) :sick: :sad:

Mircoslavux
22-08-2005, 11:03
What do you think about the sir Ian Blair and the situation around the killing of that Brasilian in London???

Webmaster
22-08-2005, 11:09
it's sad but such tragic events will happen again ;(

Richard
22-08-2005, 22:28
Hm..It's hard trying to understand part with the boys..but I'd say, that 13(maybe erlier or later? :scratch: ) is the age where they find out their first sexual experiances and maybe want to try out more(/other things) and cause of their parents, which didn't teach them how to live "civilisated", they just did what the wanted to do.
But isn't it "interesting", why raping a boy and not a girl? (maybe sexual complexes?!) A aberration in the childhood i'd say.

But....
What about the Football WM 2006 in Germany?! :eek:
Many trains are traveling around the importanst Stadions, and I'm a bit afraid, cause i'm a commuter which is forces to drive from Offenburg(Karlsruhe-Freiburg) to Pforzheim(Karlsruhe-Stuttgart-Nürnberg) :sick: :sad:

Actually it can variate. Some can start experiencing sexual pleasures as early as 9-10 year
while others can start at 12-13. Is a normal thing as thye beging to explore and experiment, but in this case I think it had to do with the parents in osme way. A kid doesn't just go a rape a boy, hell they don't even know what it is doing it, unless he has been though in one way or another. Maybe the kid had somekind of a harsh experience while he was younger, who knows.... His parents could have done something to him...