Ancient era history and discussion

[Traveller]

Btw another interesting archeological find from here (quoting an article in a paper):
"Archeologists open a grave of giants
Targoviste. A mass grave with bones of two-metre women was found near the town of Opaka by the archeologists from the Historical faculty of the Veliko Tarnovo university. The found sceletons are decapitated and are from the age of the Byzantine rule from X-XI century. In the round burial chamber nearly 30 bodies were laid, most of which were female. The beheaded sceletons are unusually tall even for the modern standarts, say the archeologists. Their average height is 180 cm. Also 4 stone sarcophagi and one engraved in the stone cross were found."

Not exactly ancient, but still an archeological news... :rolleyes:

[Richard]

Could they be Amazons???? In some ancient greek text they talk about tall women that fought fearsly against the greeks, and they called them amazons. Can't remember well, will try to look it up in the wikipedia. Also I saw somethign in the national geographic sometime ago about a culture similar to the amazons.
EDIT:
I think this is what I was talking about.
http://www.pbs.org/wnet/secrets/case_amazon/index.html

[Traveller]

Here (http://www.lost-civilizations.net/ancient-civilizations.html) is one quite interesting site about ancient history. It has some information about nations such as Celts, Mayas, Incas, Sarmatians, Vikings, Egypt, Rome and others. I don't know how reliable the info is, but it definitely looks nice!

[Traveller]

Also some more Bulgarian archeology:
Some figures near the ancient temples of Tatul and Perperikon (http://www.bnr.bg/RadioBulgaria/Emission_English/Theme_History_And_Religion/Material/archsum.htm)
A 6600 year old rock sanctuary (http://www.bnr.bg/RadioBulgaria/Emission_English/Theme_History_And_Religion/Material/rocksanct.htm)
And an interview with Bozhidar Dimitrov, director of the (http://www.bnr.bg/RadioBulgaria/Emission_English/Theme_History_And_Religion/Material/NatmusofHistmedieval.htm) National History Museum (http://www.historymuseum.org/)

If you browse a little in the nearby links, you could find other history stuff, too...

[Mircoslavux]

:lol: :go:

The scientist have found possible the oldest boat on the world in South Korea,

8000 years old logboat ,

Does somebody know, how such a logboat looks like?? :silly:

[Traveller]

Well, most probably a log with a carved "sit-hole" inside it... Could you give more information about that one?

[Mircoslavux]

Well, most probably a log with a carved "sit-hole" inside it... Could you give more information about that one?

I have no idea, it was only short notice about it....
:go:

[LittleFreak]

I think I have quite a good amount of knowledge about ancient history.

Ancient history goes from 10 000 BC, where the first human culture evolved in Sumeria until about 1400 AD, I think the Roman empire ended around that time, but I'm not too sure.

[Traveller]

Btw two days ago (on 14th of September) archeologists finally reached the full size of the Serdica amphitheatre in their excavations. This colloseum was found acidentaly last year, during a construction work of a new hotel. But it was expected since around 80 years, because of many engraved plates with "pictures" of gladiatorial fights. It was build around 1800 years ago by Diocletian. The good thing is that this amphitheatre is just magnificient - it's twice as big as the one in Philipopolis and specialists say that "it seems this is the only amphitheatre with such great size in the eastern part of the Roman empire", also bigger than the ones in Ephesus etc. Thus, now Sofia is the third European capital, after Rome and Madrid, with an ancient amphitheatre. :hello: :cheers:

[conquestare legionare]

I think I have quite a good amount of knowledge about ancient history.

Ancient history goes from 10 000 BC, where the first human culture evolved in Sumeria until about 1400 AD, I think the Roman empire ended around that time, but I'm not too sure.


nope the middle ages started arounf 800-850.

[Xuca]

nope the middle ages started arounf 800-850.
Middle ages started in 476. with the fall of the Western Roman Empire. Legionares must know such a thing!

[Elvain]

nope the middle ages started arounf 800-850.
Xuca is right in this thing...

historians in Europe mostly put the start of middle ages in 476 A.D.

but those dates are just for basic orientation, times change naturaly, step by step. When the last western Roman emperor definitely lost his power in 476 and was replaced by Odoaker, almost nothing changed, as the west was already under rule of "barbarians" for some 50 years...

the funny thing is thatthere are at least 4 dates showing the end of middle ages:
1453 - fall of Roman/Byzantine empire=fall of Constantinople to Ottomans
1492 - fall of Granada :lol: no I'm joking, some strange guy from Genoa landed on some small island in Carribean sea
1517 - Martin Luther has started reformation
1648 - the end of 30 years war
pick the one you like the most....
btw, in Czech history, the end of middle ages for Crown of Bohemia is in 1526, when Habsburgs definitely claimed Bohemian throne :lol:

[Traveller]

I would say that the period between the fall of WRE and the beginning of the new milenium (~1000 AD) would be call "Dark Ages" (I think, or was it in the Antiquity). That's one of the usual explanations why Bulgaria's rare in Medieval games (or it's in its weakest point) - we just arrived too early (~632~681)! :wink: But for the end of the MA - I'm definitely for 1453.

[Elvain]

I would say that the period between the fall of WRE and the beginning of the new milenium (~1000 AD) would be call "Dark Ages" (I think, or was it in the Antiquity). That's one of the usual explanations why Bulgaria's rare in Medieval games (or it's in its weakest point) - we just arrived too early (~632~681)! :wink: But for the end of the MA - I'm definitely for 1453.
we could then argue when do the dark ages end. I think that 1000 is too late.. yes, many proceses started there(people stopped hoping in the arrival of Jesuses 1000year kingdom, but it may as well end in 800, when Western empire was restored...

also the year 476 can be accepted only in the West(catholic) europe, for the East(Orthodox) world many more things changed in 610 or in 527 when Justinian II.(the last emperor who ruled in both parts of empire) died.
And what about muslim expansion? isn't it the true end of Ancient era in the East?
When does the Ancient era end in Roman empire, the biggest ancient empire?
in 476? I say NO
in 527? maybe?
in 610? (Heracleios claimed the throne and reforms have started)
in 622? (Hijrah)
in 632? (Caliph Omar's rule starts)

[conquestare legionare]

Middle ages started in 476. with the fall of the Western Roman Empire. Legionares must know such a thing!

Nope !! middle ages started far after that. fall of rome wasent the final year of ancient era , ancient era fell after a couple years.

[Xuca]

Xuca is right in this thing...

historians in Europe mostly put the start of middle ages in 476 A.D.
You may not agree with it, CL, but that's what historians say, and who am I to complain?

[Richard]

Wasn;t that period after the fall of the roman empire called the dark ages??Since there wasn't much of any kingdoms at the time, only a bunch of barbaric tribes invading and taking the land from each other. I have allways think of the begining of mid ages right after the frankish empire is divided, in late 700's. That's when feudalism begins to appear and the many diferent kindoms that go throught the mid ages are born too.
About when it ended, I think and will have to say right after the 100 years war is over which is about the same time when easter roman empire falls to Otto. After that rennassance begins in florence and other parts of italy.

[Angryminer]

For me the end of the medieval era is clearly the fall of the eastern roman empire. From that day on knowledge began to flow into the western european regions which sparked the renaissance in Italy.
But the beginning is less accurate. In my opinion the most specific aspects of the medieval era are feudalism and the loss of knowledge from the ancient era. This loss begins shortly after the fall of the roman empire. Also the roman structure of government is lost at the same time, enabling the upcoming of feudalism. So the start of the medieva era should be searched shortly after the fall of the western roman empire.

Angryminer

[Elvain]

Wasn;t that period after the fall of the roman empire called the dark ages??Since there wasn't much of any kingdoms at the time, only a bunch of barbaric tribes invading and taking the land from each other. I have allways think of the begining of mid ages right after the frankish empire is divided, in late 700's. That's when feudalism begins to appear and the many diferent kindoms that go throught the mid ages are born too.
About when it ended, I think and will have to say right after the 100 years war is over which is about the same time when easter roman empire falls to Otto. After that rennassance begins in florence and other parts of italy.
there was quite a lot of kingdoms between 476 and say 800

Kingdom of Visigoths, empire of Syagrius, Meroveovid frankish kingdom, kingdom of teh Ostrogoths(Odovacer), kingdom of Vandals and other and other
They had own administrative and even laws (mostly hybrid, based half on roman law and tribal customs)
most of them lasted far longer than empire of Alexandre the Great

the only problem is that we don't have many written sources to know them better...

they were not such barbaric tribes as many prople thing, they mostly accepted cristianism, but they had many problems more important than writing books...

[Richard]

Yes, but they didn't base their goverment in feudalism. Feudalism makes its appareance some time after the Frank empire is divided into the 3 sons of charlesmane?( don't remember how to spell it) That is truly when the mid ages began, and some chaos of the dark age begins to fade away. This is just my opinion, most historians might agree it was right aftrer the west roman empire falls, but I see it differently. To me the middle ages = the begining of feudalism.