whats the best soultion

[Havoc]

Originally posted by Nike
I choose war... only in the games. In the real world - definitely peace. People die in real wars. And death is real. And real men and women die.

About the States - I don't want to talk about them. I just hope they will come to themselves and stop behaving like a teenager.



btw a question mainly to the Bulgarians here - what do you think about the article in New York Times that Bulgaria and Ukraine have sent not good enough soldiers in Iraq?
man thats gay im from Ukraine and i know that the soldiers arent good but its because they got AK74s and crap gear. And they shouldnt go to help the Americans!!! What did America ever do 4 Ukraine bul****!!!
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[Platina]

War \o/

[timurlenk]

Originally posted by Havoc
I am not an American but i hate it when people make bad remarks about the Americans and they have no facts just some stupid jelosy the fact is that America is a super power and it doesnt need to ask Joe Shmoe if its okey to go after its intrests. If they need oil they damn going to get it they are not stupid they do every thing for a reason.


following your argumentation, everyone who has the power to kill you for his "interests" has the right to do it.

im not jealous of america, im afraid of it leading world into next world war. for its "interests" :angry:



peace :cheers:

[Henrik]

I did not vote because it think the question is a tough one.

war => peace => war => peace... - see what i mean !

Seen from a kosmos/kaos point of view you wont be able to have the one without the other war and peace goes hand in hand like jing/jang - night/day - summer/winter etc.

as i see it, the one thing which both war and peace has in common is they both bring change.

I also think it's important to define war ! coz there are many types of war ie. war with guns, a demonstration could also be considered a kind of war IMO ( peaceful war ) ie. although all you guys n'gals in the eastern part of Europe didn't use guns to change your political systems (well, most of you maybe except Romania) you or your parents were still out in the streets showing your dislike with the current state of the political landscape and it was changed.

I hope most of you are able to follow me - at least some of the way...:) - i'm aware that the subject is somewhat sensitive.

[Havoc]

Originally posted by Henrik
Iwar IMO ( peaceful war ) ie. although all you guys n'gals in the eastern part of Europe didn't use guns to change your political systems (well, most of you maybe except Romania) you or your parents were still out in the streets showing your dislike with the current state of the political landscape and it was changed.

I hope most of you are able to follow me - at least some of the way...:) - i'm aware that the subject is somewhat sensitive.
man i wish that happened in Ukraine well it did in a way but not really yes Ukraine is not part of the USSR but its got a Democratic Corupt leader. He sold our people off to Russia and he sold our navy to Russia and he uses the militery to win elections and he wount pay pention to the elderly i hate that pig...(rembling)...Man he sold the UKrainian fleet all we got now is like 3 boats. And i wish Rassia haddent stolen our carrian "the Kuznetov" after we seprated... Im sorrry for my very strong patriotic views but i cant watch my people suffer and say nothing.

[the knightly sword]

Originally posted by Krum The Terrible
Iraq is BIG mistake, ofcourse. But I'm traing to say that the war is way to release your agresion, and people can't keep their agrresion forever they have to realese it somehow and often they chose war.

i dont think that it was even a mistake . first saddam was a dictator he would kill more people if he stayd as president .ans it was about time some one did something about it.but wh are they useing the country to get oil thats the bad thing.

[the knightly sword]

i think that war is sometimes good put not the part were people die . i think that some times were is good and sometimes peace is good . but im most with the peace side .

[Havoc]

Originally posted by the knightly sword
i dont think that it was even a mistake . first saddam was a dictator he would kill more people if he stayd as president .ans it was about time some one did something about it.but wh are they useing the country to get oil thats the bad thing.
lol so u saying that they should have just killed sadam and left the country in anurchy so there would be like 5 sadams controling diffrent parts of the country!!!

[Heretic]

Well,peace is the better way to me, but sometimes things not belong from us. ;)

[the knightly sword]

Originally posted by Havoc
lol so u saying that they should have just killed sadam and left the country in anurchy so there would be like 5 sadams controling diffrent parts of the country!!!

i think you miss under studd what i meant. i meant that they kill saddam and all those how are loyal to him build up the country and then leave. and not stealing oil

[Havoc]

Originally posted by the knightly sword
i think you miss under studd what i meant. i meant that they kill saddam and all those how are loyal to him build up the country and then leave. and not stealing oil
man you dont understand the people of Iraq there is corruption and the people have grown up in very bad poverty if they have a chance to steal they will. There is also religen involved if there spiritual leader tells them to do some thing they will do it without any thought like kill or die . You cant change people because they grew up like that its pointless to force a dimocracy in Iraq. The people have to get there themselvs...

[Kuno of Gersenau]

Well I have enough from this tread an will not post anymore...

It makes no sense to talk about war, because it exists and we can't change it.

And Havoc also if America is a super power the rest of the world has the right to say that they make a big ****!:angry:
And if they don't care about the rest of the world it's arrogance and nothing other...:angry:

[the knightly sword]

Originally posted by Havoc
man you dont understand the people of Iraq there is corruption and the people have grown up in very bad poverty if they have a chance to steal they will. There is also religen involved if there spiritual leader tells them to do some thing they will do it without any thought like kill or die . You cant change people because they grew up like that its pointless to force a dimocracy in Iraq. The people have to get there themselvs...


saddam was a dictator and the people would do any thing to be free. he killd people just for fun . i dont think any body was loyal to him he scared people to get power.and religion is not involved .
he only was a bad asshole now his gone and every one is happy .ther is only small terrorist gangs that terrorize and think they can get back saddam on the throne

[the knightly sword]

this thread is begining stupid i regret that i maked this thread up . i agree with kuno this thread is stupid

[Rnett]

Then you should close it :peace:

[Krum The Terrible]

I want to say 3 things:
1)Iraq is BIG MISTAKE.
2)We have to talk about this is other thread(here for instance (http://forum.sunflowers.de/showthread.php?s=&threadid=761&perpage=25&pagenumber=1))
3)This thread went far away from his target so it have to closed.

[the knightly sword]

ok im not a beginner but how do i close it

[timurlenk]

Originally posted by the knightly sword
ok im not a beginner but how do i close it


only mods are allowed to close threads. afaik.

[Havoc]

dont deleate the thread!!!

[the_holy_knight]

Peace is the thing humanity should strive for but violence can only be countered by violence in most cases. If we remove violence from the world it will be the best feat humanity can ever achieve.
PS. The peace emoticon doesn't work :peace: see