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So by us , the winner of votes has 30 days for goverment establishment, if it take longer, he lose this rights and the second stronger party is on turn...
I'm not sure about it here, but I know that the President must give the mandate to create a ruling coalition. But I'm not sure whether it should be the party with the most votes... That would be logical, but nothing is logical here.
Could you tell more about that? I didn't really understood...
But I could say something about our system:
Every party(but not 100% sure) can form the goverment, if it has more than 50% support. Current example:
Radicals (SRS - Serbian Radical Party) won the majority of seats in the parlament(around one third). DSS (Democratic Party of Serbia) has around 20%, DS (Democratic Party) and G17+(I have no idea what that means) follow them with less seats, and the least seats have the socialists (SPS - Sotialis Party of Serbia) and coalition of SPO and NS (Srpski Pokret Obnove - not sure how this would be in English, and New Serbia) - 10% each.
No party has the majority. DSS, G17+ and SPO-NS have formed a goverment, but they together don't have 50%, but the Socialists backed them up, and helped them in forming the goverment, by giving them their votes. So the radicals, who won the majority of votes, are now the oposition.
I hope I was clear :go:
Traveller
14-07-2005, 08:41
Somewhere above I wrote the situation with the votes. No party has above 50%, so a coalition must be formed that will have at least 50.1% (half of the seats in the parliament + 1). But the negotiation between the different parties can't be led by any party that wants. The President decides to whom to give the mandate for coalition-creating. In our case, the President is a socialist, the socialists won the most votes, so they started with the socialists, offering "alliances" to different parties. They couldn't form a government, so the President should give a second mandate to a party that would lead the negotiations. Full mess, I tell ya...
So that means that you haven't formed a goverment yet? How long has passed since the elections? And if a goverment can't be formed, when would be the new elections?
Traveller
14-07-2005, 12:33
The elections were on June 25th. So far, we haven't formed a government yet. And if we don't make one soon, EU is out of sight. And elections will probably be after a few months. Until then, an "official" ("professional") government will be appointed.
Mircoslavux
14-07-2005, 17:18
Are you personally satisfied with the situation in Bulgaria ? Political , Economical, How are you ideas for improvement.
Mircoslavux
27-07-2005, 12:16
please here are the monarchy systems in Europe:
http://personales.ya.com/fororeal/engl7.htm
Mircoslavux
03-08-2005, 13:38
very interesting thing:
Funeral of late Saudi Arabian king,
like a obvious people - nice symbolic :go:
Traveller
10-08-2005, 16:22
Here's the list of Bulgarian monarchs (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Bulgarian_monarchs) from Wikipedia.
Btw we still haven't formed a government. :silly: Full political chaos! It seems that there might even be new elections. But even if not - we'll be postponed for EU for sure (which IMO is a good thing - it'll give us some more time to prepare for business competition). The first socialists mandate was "overthrown", the current second (the king's) mandate seems to be pretty dead, too. And if the third doesn't succeed (third would most probably mean socialists+Turks+a small "right" party called BNS) then it's election time! Very strange and insoluble situation... :scratch:
Mircoslavux
11-08-2005, 17:05
Here's the list of Bulgarian monarchs (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Bulgarian_monarchs) from Wikipedia.
Btw we still haven't formed a government. :silly: Full political chaos! It seems that there might even be new elections. But even if not - we'll be postponed for EU for sure (which IMO is a good thing - it'll give us some more time to prepare for business competition). The first socialists mandate was "overthrown", the current second (the king's) mandate seems to be pretty dead, too. And if the third doesn't succeed (third would most probably mean socialists+Turks+a small "right" party called BNS) then it's election time! Very strange and insoluble situation... :scratch:
somehow it is to long, isn't it?
Traveller
12-08-2005, 06:52
What's too long? The list of the monarchs or the political chaos?
Mircoslavux
12-08-2005, 09:24
What's too long? The list of the monarchs or the political chaos?
too long - the establishment of goverment in Bulgaria....
:nono:
Seem to me that the Bulgarians are going to have another elections. Reminds me of our president elections last year, when he was elected from the fourth try(which was this year!)
btw. if anybody is interested - http://www.royalfamily.org/ - Serbian and Yugoslavian royal family official website
Mircoslavux
12-08-2005, 10:04
Seem to me that the Bulgarians are going to have another elections. Reminds me of our president elections last year, when he was elected from the fourth try(which was this year!)
btw. if anybody is interested - http://www.royalfamily.org/ - Serbian and Yugoslavian royal family official website
wow, thanks for a nice web,
so then you have officially royal court in Serbia and Monte Negro (SMN) :scratch:
and the using of artitocratic titles is allowed....
How is the statement of this Family in SMN? How are the relationships between them and official politics (premier, president)?
How is the opinion of public about them??
:eek:
No, there is no royal court or aristrocracy. The royal family is only 200 years old, but maybe in the future.
Relations with the goverment are good, even the minister of diplomacy is a royalist.
People dislike Aleksandar, I don't know why. He can't speak Serbian properly, his wife, who isn't a Serb, speaks better than him.
Many people would like to see monarchy, but there are few obsticales:
1. People don't like him.
2. People don't like the royalist party leader, Vuk Draskovic, the mentioned minister of diplomacy.
3. Montenegro and their prime minister would never accept him as the King of Serbia and Montenegro, and it would be silly to have a federation of a monarchy and a republic.
Mircoslavux
12-08-2005, 10:22
No, there is no royal court or aristrocracy. The royal family is only 200 years old, but maybe in the future.
Relations with the goverment are good, even the minister of diplomacy is a royalist.
People dislike Aleksandar, I don't know why. He can't speak Serbian properly, his wife, who isn't a Serb, speaks better than him.
Many people would like to see monarchy, but there are few obsticales:
1. People don't like him.
2. People don't like the royalist party leader, Vuk Draskovic, the mentioned minister of diplomacy.
3. Montenegro and their prime minister would never accept him as the King of Serbia and Montenegro, and it would be silly to have a federation of a monarchy and a republic.
hm What about the princes?
Maybe you can create United Kingdom of Serbia and Monte Negro - with partially Monte Negro Autonomy
hm What about the princes?
We'll see about the princes(btw. Aleksandar is a prince also). They don't say much.
Maybe you can create United Kingdom of Serbia and Monte Negro - with partially Monte Negro Autonomy
No, their prime minister wants full independance, meaning that until he's in power(hich might be a long time) there will be no monarchy. However, if Montenegro becomes independend, about what will it's people decide next year, the monarchy will have more chances.
Mircoslavux
12-08-2005, 10:30
We'll see about the princes(btw. Aleksandar is a prince also). They don't say much.
No, their prime minister wants full independance, meaning that until he's in power(hich might be a long time) there will be no monarchy. However, if Montenegro becomes independend, about what will it's people decide next year, the monarchy will have more chances.
So it will be very seldom in modern history, switch republic back to monarchy - hm interesting
Traveller
15-08-2005, 15:30
Btw I saw an interesting research in the news yesterday. Of some European countries and about their content with democracy in their nations. I think Danmark was on the first place (supporting democracy) with nearly 94% of the people interviewed. The last places were such like: Hungary - 27%, Slovakia - 26%, Lithuania - 24% and Bulgaria - 22%. I guess Monarchy still has a chance... :wink:
Mircoslavux
15-08-2005, 15:41
Btw I saw an interesting research in the news yesterday. Of some European countries and about their content with democracy in their nations. I think Danmark was on the first place (supporting democracy) with nearly 94% of the people interviewed. The last places were such like: Hungary - 27%, Slovakia - 26%, Lithuania - 24% and Bulgaria - 22%. I guess Monarchy still has a chance... :wink:
yeah in Slovakia are all the things very far from democracy still.
There is a lot of corruption :angry: , I think the people from "East Block" know, what I'm speaking about. :eek:
Btw I saw an interesting research in the news yesterday. Of some European countries and about their content with democracy in their nations. I think Danmark was on the first place (supporting democracy) with nearly 94% of the people interviewed. The last places were such like: Hungary - 27%, Slovakia - 26%, Lithuania - 24% and Bulgaria - 22%. I guess Monarchy still has a chance... :wink:
monarchy does not opose to democracy. They can coexist, see UK. It is IMO one of the most democratic countries in the world(if not the one) and it is monarchy.
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