[en] Monarchy, Republic other systems?

[Mircoslavux]

Interessant news from Serbian Royal Family:

Alexander Karadjordjevic is looking for wifes for his three sons Peter, Alexander and Philip. There is an advertisement on the website:
Princess wanted :lol:

(source - 20 minuten)

[Xuca]

http://www.royalfamily.org/press/press-det/story111005.htm :lol:

[Traveller]

I'll use this "political" thread to translate (no, it's not history, don't worry) one interesting research of the Europeans (sorry for posting it here, but I couldn't find a better "European political" thread and I didn't really want to create a new one):

"The Dutch: For the Europeans a united European identity doesn't exist

From 40 000 inquired people in 33 countries on the Old Continent nearly 2000 identify themselves this way


the concept "European" (as identity) doesn't exist for the people on the Old Continent.

The "truest" Europeans live in the Nederlands and Scandinavia - tolerant, especially to homosexualism and divorces. While the happiest are the Irish.

This is what the "Atlas of European Values" says, which was published not long ago by the scientists from the Dutch university in Tilburg.

The information collected by them is based on a research among 40 000 people from 33 countries in Europe.

From them only 2000 identify themselves as Europeans.

The idea was to define the common European values from religion, family and work to the understanding of democracy and tolerance.

Europe is united only in political matters and in its economical valuations, but the same couldn't be said related to the moral values, thinks Loek Halmon, one of the authors of the research.

The difference is most noticable when the question are women.

From one side they're bound to give their share to the familiy budget - that's how 70% of the Germans think.

But in Belgium and Great Brittain only 1/3 of the inquired agree with such a statement. I.e. they prefer their women to take care of the family by staying home more, although 50% of the inquired think that the both partners should contribute for the financial state of their home.

Concerning children, the research found out that the Europeans take highly conservative positions.

To the question "Does the child suffer in the preschool age if its mother works?" 70% of the inquired in Greece, Italy, Malta and Poland answer affirmative, while in Denmark for example this percent is 18.

Another example. 90% of the Lithuanians and Latvians are confident that one woman should have a child to be happy. The same statement is supported only by 8% of the Dutch, according to which the lady would feel fine if she does well in some job.

Obviously the old statement of the Italian Roko Butillone, who couldn't become a Eurocomissioner of the internal affairs in the EU exactly because he said that women should stay in the kitchen near the oven, is accepted by more Europeans that it was expected.

The mass research of the Dutch scientist also shows that according to the values Europe is divided not only to "Eastern" and "Western", but also to "Northern" and "Southern".

Such a division is in force especially for the divorces. On the scale of 1 to 10 (10 means "I accept", 0 - "I don't accept") the Swedes gain 7,8 points, the Dutch - 6,6, and the Germans - 5,9. Low are the points of the Poles and the Armenians.

The differences when it's about homosexualism are also drastic. Only 10% of the Portuguese accept unisexual partner relations, the percent in the Nederlands is 80.

The scientists use as a comparison a research made in 1981 by the same university.

After the first elections for European parliament in 1979 it was interesting to understand if common European values exist, Halmon reminds.

The impulse to do such a research was then given by a scientist Jesuit, for whom it was important to explain himself whether the secularization in Europe is really moving with "terrible" speed.

At that time the religious question played a minor role, but was always in the circle of the debated topics, which created discord in Europe.

Thus for example 36% of the French accepted religion as important, whereas 55% say that they've never prayed.

Completely different is the situation in Poland and Malta. 44% of the Poles say they're religious, while 78% of the Maltese pray for remission out of the churches at least twice a week.

The Turks as a whole are the most religious and conservative of all the Europeans.

The citizensof the country-candidate for EU give the lowest valuation from all the 33 countries for divorce - 3,6 from 10.

12% of the Turks think that the man and the woman should have equal part in forming the family budget.

In other spheres the differences are bigger than expected: 1,5% accept themselves as Europeans, but the same could be said for the Portuguese and the Romanians, by which the percent is 1,6.

There is one criteria however, in which the Turks could be called members of the EU - the sense for "working moral" there is very strong.

On the map of the atlas of values it's only country marked there with dark-red - 755 of the Turks believe in the words "the people, which don't work, become lazy".

The European average for this oppinion is 63%, while for 60% of the Muslims work is on first place, even at the expense of personal time. Their example is followed by part of the Swedes and the Dutch.

On the basis of all this data the scientist conclude:

"There is no united European identity. The inquiry makes such a formulation for self-identification even ridicilous. With the same success we could speak of our common with the Chinese."

The people in Luxembourg count themselves most to be European, whereas the situation with the European identity is worst in Russia, Ukraine and Romania."


So, what do you think? Do you agree with your country's profile? Do the Lithuanians here think that a woman should be happy only by having a child? Or the Germans think that a woman is bound to give her share to the family budget, instead of house-keeping?

[Elvain]

Where have you found it, it looks interesting :go:

no word about my coutry and countrymen, but I must say I consider myself as European.
But id depends how the question was asked.
If it was: "how do you consider yourself?" with only one possibility, I think it's natural that most of people answered "Dutch", "Czech", German" etc.
if there were 2 possibilities I'd answer: "Czech and European" but if I was to chose from them, I'd be only Czech

and you?

[Traveller]

I... I'd say Bulgarian and European. But European only as European (geographical, cultural etc.), not as citizen of the EU. I don't really like the EU and, unfortunately, it seems that they're gonna accept us without a delay... :nono:
I've found it in an online "newspaper" and I translated it directly from there.
Btw in one normal newspaper I saw some other interesting statistics for Bulgarian crime related to other countries, which is really... interesting. I'll post it here (hope Mirco doesn't mind):

"The delegates of the EU keep silence, but it is known that the risk to become a victim of a crime in Bulgaria is lower than the average for the developed countries. According to the Centre for research on democracy in 2003 17% of the adults in Bulgaria have suffered from a crime. For Great Britain this percentage is 26, for the USA and France - 21, for Belgium - 21, for Australia - 30, for Poland - 23, for Switzerland - 18.
And more: In Bulgaria there are 138 car-thefts on every 100 000 people, in Latvia - 140, Poland - 176, Czechia - 231, the Nederlands - 264, Spain - 341, the USA - 413, Italy - 423, France - 512.
It's not for bragging about it, but there are worse than us.
Then why are the crimes here considered to be "very high" by scale? Isn't this a prejudice towards us from the Europeans?
If you think so, hear some more numbers. By us, from 100 captured criminals not more than 11 are isolated in a cell with a sentence. In Europe this correlation is 100:80, 90.
Here's more statistics: This year the pre-courtly proceedings in Bulgaria are 5476. 522 accusation acts are prepared, accused are 735, and the sentenced with operative verdicts - 158..."
There's something rotten in the Bulgarian court... :scratch:


One other older statistics (from a couple of months ago) said also that we're probably the country with the most bodyguards related to policemen. For every policemen we have around 4 private bodyguards and the only country next to us is Serbia (1:~2). :biggrin:

[Traveller]

Hey, Mirco, I found one site (http://homepage.mac.com/crowns/), which I believe would be interesting for you! :go:

[Xuca]

Well, I already found one mistake on that site. Says Petar II was never crowned, but he was in 1941, about a month before the war started, and ruled in exile until 1944 when Kingdom of Yugoslavia became the Socialist Federative Republic of Yugoslavia.

[Traveller]

Well, Xuca, you could write to the guy, who supports the site (you can see his mail in "contact us" at the home page) and tell him to correct this. Afaik, it's not a professional site - one guy from another forum (Boina Slava) mentioned that a Polish friend of his is interested in European monarchies and has made this site. Btw he uses mainly post-stamps as images of the monarchs, cuz they have no copyright...

[Mircoslavux]

so the divorce of Yugoslavia is now completed and Monte Negro will be independent. According what Xuca said last time...is it possible that Serbia will turn to Monarchy???

[Xuca]

Maybe, but the leading parties are against it. The parties which are for monarchy are a minority, but if there would be a referendum about it, it would probably pass. I don't think Aleksandar II will live to become the King, but maybe his son or grandson.
Funny thing is many people say that by having a king, we would have one election less, and that's why they are for monarchy. Others say that a King would be more honest than a president from any party, and some because they want to honor the old traditions, since we are a traditional people. I agree with the last two opinions.

[Traveller]

Maybe you could make your king a president or PM, like we did with our tsar five years ago! :biggrin:
I did hear on the news recently that your king in Belgrad has lifted the monarchy topic up. Hah, I'd like to have a kingdom as a neighbour, it sounds so... :rolleyes:

[Elvain]

that would mean the only monarchy revival in eastern and central Europe :hello:

that'd be nice

PS: I hope that Montenegro won't get into problems caused by Albanian minority that causes mess in all counties sourrounding Albania:sad:

[Xuca]

Maybe you could make your king a president or PM, like we did with our tsar five years ago!
I don't think he wants that, but his sister tried last year and didn't even get 1%.
PS: I hope that Montenegro won't get into problems caused by Albanian minority that causes mess in all counties sourrounding Albania
Well, it was they who voted out the independance, without them they wouldn't get even 50%. They want autonomy in places around Skadar lake, but I don't know the attitude of Montenegro goverment about that. Many people say that Macedonia and Montenegro will get swallowed by Albania, we can just hope it won't happen.

[Traveller]

Many people say that Macedonia and Montenegro will get swallowed by Albania, we can just hope it won't happen.
For Macedonia, I don't think the whole of it could be swallowed by Albania. In the 2001 crysis we gifted them with tanks, now in another eventual crysis I believe we could help even more! Although it would be the easiest for them to accept their origins, join us politically and be member of the EU as part of Bulgaria... Hah, dreams! :biggrin:

[People's Republic of China]

True Fascism all the way. Democracy and Communism are lousy. Republic works but has a nasty tendance to fail after a number of years.

[Doux]

True Fascism all the way. Democracy and Communism are lousy. Republic works but has a nasty tendance to fail after a number of years.Please support your opinion. What is lousy about democracy and communism?

[Richard]

So you like fascism but dislike communism:rolleyes: When both are almost the same exact thing.

Communism:
Totalitaristic political, social, and economic system in which the state, governed by a single party without formal opposition, owns all property. control the production and distribution of goods and services, and, to a great extent, control the social and cultural life of the people.

Fascism:
A philosophy or system of government that is marked by stringent social and economic control, a strong, centralized government usually headed by a dictator, and often a policy of belligerent nationalism.

The only difference been that Fascims lets a selected few own businesses, but they are still controlled by the state nonetheless.

And how the hell you found this thead anyways. It has been unactive for almost 6 months.:rolleyes:

[People's Republic of China]

I don't know. I just found it.

Fascism is Rome's method of governance. Mussolini twisted it considerably. Originally it was a capitalistic system with a central Senate and an Emperor that was appointed by the Senate, though frequently the Emperor was hereditary.

Oh yes Fascism encourages private property. And Fascism is the world's most successful government type. Most of the World's nations have used it with success at one point in their histories. It was only in the 20th century that it was given the name Fascism by Benito Mussolini after the bundle of rods around an axe that was the symbol of Roman Imperial authority; Many governments today use the Fasces as a symbol (even the US) of their authourity. Hitler was not a true fascist, as he incorperated hate, rascism and, slavery into his ideology and made them the central points.

I took the next passage from the Imperial Book: a project I started earlier this year within the four walls of a "club" I guess you would call it. The following was a reactionary writing to an attack upon the Fascist ideology by a prior force. We successfully answer his questions on the matter of Fascism and now he is a supporter of us (in other words, he doesn't like the Liberals or the mainstream conservatives or the commies, or the evironmentalist wackos, so he chose us [not that there are many of us].)

What is Fascism you may ask? This is a cogent question. Fascism can be said to be rule by law and merit. But to be more accurate we must delve deeper into the roots of the matter. Fascism is method of government consisting of a capitalist or corporatist economic structure (The SG is halfway between the two camps, as in we support personal initiative and discourage socialism {our government will have more than enough to do, so we have no wish to become mired in petty businesses} but we also encourage small businesses to expand and become massive corporations providing jobs and increasing national glory by helping improve the GDP, in addition private enterprise encourages competition, thus inspiring many to develop new technologies and ideas that would put our nation far above the rest); a leader that is appointed or that earns his position, he may be elected by a small political body but is usually not put into office by the people, this is to ensure that the people do not put an incompetent or an unethical person into power (as evidenced in the elections of Adolf Hitler and Bill Clinton); you may argue that this may put a tyrant into office, but in fact the odds of a tyrant are low and anyway a tyrant can be good for a nation; look at King David, a man with powers that Stalin could only dream of, look at Cromwell, a man that put Bibles into the packs of every English soldier and practised what the Good Book said too. Also Fascism encourages religious freedoms in many cases; admitably recent examples (Italy and Spain, we do not consider the Nazis to be of us) do not shine in this department, true fascists believe that all have a right to choose what to believe so long as it does not harm the State or our National Glory. True Fascists hate racism and slavery, these are products of an extremely ultra-nationalistic view (as in one people is better racially than another). The discrimination or enslavement of another person is hateful to both G-d and man. Thus anti-Semitism and similar discrimination is against True Fascism. Rome incorporated conquered peoples into her nationality (but did not abolish their culture) and gave them rights and freedoms that they could only dream of in their previous system. We do not endorse democracism or republicanism. No democracy has endured more than 150 years (the record is Athens). No Republic has endured more than 900 years (the record is held by the Republic of Venice; they used an oligarchial version of republicanism AD 997-AD 1797 when they were conquered by the Emperor Napoleon.). The United States started as a Federal-Constitutionalist Republic then slowly changed into a Democratic Republic and now is becoming a Socialist Democracy in its ever greater tilt to the left and Liberalism, a vile and hateful belief system. Even so, America has only endured 230 years (second to Venice) and appears to be collapsing. Fascist governments have endured in Rome's case 1400 years (Rome 68 BC to AD 438 when Rome fell, then the Eastern Roman Empire (Byzantine) till AD 1438, thus ending the longest enduring government on the face of the earth. Fascist's only republicanistic feature is the frequent use of a central assembly like the Imperial Senate of Rome and the Mandarin Council of the Ming Chinese. Hereditary rule can be a featur of Fascist governments. Evidence for this is found the Roman Emperors, the Chinese Emperors, the Russian Tsars, Napoleon's Empire was going to be a hereditary form of Fascism had it not been for the most unfourtunate demise of the Empire at Waterloo. We value human life greatly; we hate the squandering of life for selfish reasons (abortion, euthanasia, mercy-killings, and the like). This is why we are for capital punishment, what is the value of the victim's life if it is not worth the life of the murderer. People are truly the State's greatest resource even more than gold or oil. Thus we view population as another form of wealth and glory. The more minds working together the greater the Nation grows. G-d wants us to populate the earth, let's do it. "Freedom" is a term invented by the western nations to allow rebellion and crassness to creep into society. The glories of "freedom" consist of the modern American public school system, the murder of more than 75 million Americans in the form of Euthanasia and abortion, rap, immorality, rebellious children, hippies, and other aberrations. True freedom is given by G-d and is only achieved when self-discipline and abstention from sin and moral is accomplished. Otherwise it is folly.
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Another term for our breed of Fascism is Corporatism.
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I almost forgot:

Democracy:

Mass rule= mob rule.

Communism:

Oppression and corruption.


Look at history.

Obviously extremes are something that doesn't work.

[Richard]

I won't discuss with you, but I will give you some advise. If you really believe all that you just typed I, I really don't know what to say. You are either kidding me or have lost your mind....

Rome never practise Fascism in the way you think of it. Rome had slaves, was corrupt and instable. It had a couple of civil wars after all....

By the way I checked your myspace and I still can't believe you actually think of people like Stalin, Mao Zedong,Yamamoto as "heroes", people that killed millions just because..... but like the test there saying you are like Stalin, "You need some serious counseling."
Fanatism promots chaos and destruction after all...

[People's Republic of China]

Stalin is on my hero list. What the heck. :confused:

I've been hacked, again, I don't bloody belive it. Who. . .

I'm not joking someone is really been messing with my profile.
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I never took that dictator quiz. . . who put that on there is just getting really annoying.

Mao is on my hero list because he drove China forward; admittably at a great cost. But there is no progress without sacrifice. However, Mao did go overboard when he launched hia ill-fated "Cultural Revolution".

BTW: I'm glad that there is dissention, for otherwise, history would be boring, and more importantly: progress is made.

PS1: Your youtube links are. . . strang. I won't discuss; let dead dogs lie where they are.


PS2 Good luck with your aviation career; I'm serious.