Terrorism in london

[conquestare legionare]

Elvain Elvain :smile: im no hitler :lol:. its not the problems they should be executed for . Its because they kill people and if they keep doing these it will stay in generations to end it now is the only soultion.We cannot achieve world peace if they stop the process everytime with killing people . hitler wasent stupid no he was far from stupid to convince a hole nation
to make such a terrible war to be remmeberd in everlasting timeline.He was blind from hatred. Honestly elvain if youve got an average IQed neighbour next door can you imagen him/her make such terible deeds all of one great hatred??

@mircoslavux

everyone who does it adviced or orderd it got to eat the consequences lter.

[Mircoslavux]

[@mircoslavux

everyone who does it adviced or orderd it got to eat the consequences lter.[/QUOTE]

But many peoples are cooking for the others....without consequesnces and we can not see mostly in their pots.

[Elvain]

I know you're not Hitler :wink: I don't even accuse you from being him. I just compare the way of thinking and the danger that is hired in it :go:

if you follow words of your Christ, you would have to love even ones who hate you. It's very hard.
I'm not sure if I can imagine the circle of hate that was done by Hitler(as you wrote before you edited your post). But I'm afraid I can imagine what will happen if some British muslims are found guilty of those attacks. They will be treated like brothers in religion of those who killed many innocent people, thogh they are innocent too. This is the problem.
To be honest, I would be afraid of them too, I would be careful in believing them, but I will not treat them like ones who don't deserve to live...

I had one neighnbour being member of Jehova's witnesses sect. It was "nice" experience

[conquestare legionare]

when im saying fundamentalists im not only talking about muslims!!!!! im talking about muslims christians and jews.

muslims: has the famous al qaida terrorist organisation no need of further explanation.

christians:has former serbian soldiers which after the racial war in western balkan became terrorists. one of these terrorist groups are called the scorpions. only localy known in the balkan region for kidnapping male
muslims and tortureing them to death.

jews:there is no specific groupings but reporters have spotted israeli civilians carrying uzi submachineguns and shooting at palastine citzens which arent just muslims but christians too.

these are the fundamentalists that needs a lesson that earth cant tolerate them.

[Elvain]

hehe, I'm not defending muslim fundamentalists and their kiling. I'm just defending human rights of all humans :wink: no matter who they are

there are many more fundamentalists than you mentioned. Also what you mentioned as christian fiundamentalists, they are everything but christian fundamentalists! They didn't torture and kill Bosniaks becasue they were not christians but for other reasons. Learn more about them before you label them as christian fundamentalists

[conquestare legionare]

actually i didnt label them ! the media press did which got it from there own reporters settled in the local area.

[Tom Sailor]

Now I have to add my thoughts:

First of all I have to say that it's very tragic and sad what happened :sad:

I think the religion is just one piece of the puzzle to understand the terrorism. It's obvious that those countries are attacked who followed G.W. Bush into the needless, unjustified war against Iraq. They've even threatened Rome already and mentioned they'd attack it soon because of the participation in that war.

Bush stirred up a hornet's nest when he waged the war on Iraq. He shows, in my opinion in an annoying, offensive way, his faith. One gets the feeling that he started the war to force his faith upon the people in Iraq and the countries over there. Therefore those terrorists strike back.

But you simply can't force a religion or democracy upon anybody. A system change has to be started from the people itself, like in the Ukraine e.g. So I, at least partly, would blame the Bush administration for fueling the terror. I understood the war in Afghanistan since it was a reaction on 9/11 but the war on Iraq hasn't got any justification and is based on **** and bull stories. I'm glad Germany didn't follow Bush.

It makes me sad that innocent civilians have to pay for Bush's faults :sad:

Just my 2 cents

[karima]

Not all muslims are terrorists. But all terrorists are muslims. And that is what I worry about.

[Mircoslavux]

Not all muslims are terrorists. But all terrorists are muslims. And that is what I worry about.

And What about ETA or IRA? Ot other such organisation around the world?

[conquestare legionare]

Not all muslims are terrorists. But all terrorists are muslims. And that is what I worry about.

@karima
i will pretend i never saw that post :rolleyes:

[Austin Chang]

Karima, you're right! I don't know, what the other muslims think about the terror. Maybe they... hmm...

And, did Bush recognized, that the contries, which are attacked, helped him?

[Elvain]

Well, let's hope that Karima just forgot those organisations for a while. They are just in shadow of islamic fundamentalists who have lot of space inwestern media.

or do you think that IRA or ETA are muslim organisations?

Fact is that muslim terrorists are the most visible in media and they are the most dangerous. As I already said, it is caused by many things happening in islamic world. It is not caused by he essence of islam.
When Europe was in similar situation in 1848 (demographical explosion) it was also very unstable and many revolutions were happening throughout the entire continent.
But now due to progress of medicine th eexplosion is much stronger than it ever was and societies are in crisis...
also it is more visible than similar problems in Africa or southeast Asia as Middle East is strategicaly very important region

[conquestare legionare]

i will not blame any religion i will blame the fundementalists. terrorists are lost religionists. they create there own version of the religion they follow. and in that includes killing people from other religions. so practicly they arent religious because they dont follow god but they follow there own thinking.not god.


@elvain
about the labeling thing i didnt label them the media did .they have there reporters in the local area.

[Mircoslavux]

partially you are right Elvain,

the point No.1 are Informations, TV, internet, newspapers, ...
thats is the key for manipulation (massage) of people brains?

Many people believe in shown data without the chance of confirmation.

and all of us know the trends in news: to shows the most brutal actions, with high influnce (emotional) on spectators. Then the score of TV attendence is higher, profit is higher and that is "good".

the thinks are often very complex.

[conquestare legionare]

there we go mircoslavux that is the real truth you just said :cheers: its true media is actually puppeting with our brains !!.

[Richard]

To Elvain:
To love the God means to love people, that is connected and one is not possible without the another.

I want to say something here. This is wrong as I don't love nor believe on any God, nor any religion, yet I love and care for other people.

Also I see this thread has become some king of war and I think I sort of started it, so please don't flame anymore, we can argue but don't let this become a war :go:

Also I wanted to add, that George bush is in my opinion a fundementalist, he is adding more timber to burn in the fire. If anyone have heard his interviews and the such you will see that he uses words like "crusade against the terrorist" and "is gods will that we figth them".

I saw the news and the death toll is over 50 now and 700 wounded :sad: .

[conquestare legionare]

were not argueing were just discussing !! :smile:.

[Dobber]

From what part of this thread I have read, it seems to me it should be in the DMZ!

[Angryminer]

I nearly pushed the button but decided to give the thread a chance.

Angryminer

[Dobber]

I think that anytime people start to discuss religion, it should automatically go to DMZ, because discussions on religion always get heated.