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Mircoslavux
11-07-2005, 10:06
I think that anytime people start to discuss religion, it should automatically go to DMZ, because discussions on religion always get heated.
Yes Dobber, you are right.
But if you read my inputs, there is not a word about religion, but only about God.
And everybody knows, that the God and religion are not the same terms.
To Richard:
As I wrote already. It is very very good (and everybody appreciate it here), that you love and help other people.
Your not-believe on God it is your freewill and nobody can say anything to it.
What I want only to say is: If you or anybody else do not believe on God it does not mean that the God not exist, does it?
I hope you get it. :go:
Moryarity
11-07-2005, 10:09
I think that anytime people start to discuss religion, it should automatically go to DMZ, because discussions on religion always get heated.
Well there is a threat in the DMZ, but nobody used it.....
Mircoslavux
11-07-2005, 10:11
Well there is a threat in the DMZ, but nobody used it.....
:lol: :lol: I'm using both of them :go:
Ok, sorry, folks. I correct my statement. Not all muslims are terrorists. But nearly all terrorists that have been active recently are mulims. Nearly all terroristic attacks during the last years were committed by islamic fundamentalists.
I know what you ment, just because I don't believe doesn't mean that he/her doesn't exist, But just because you or anyone else believes in him/her, doesn't mean he/her exists. Just my 2 cents.
Also I wanted to say something this( not trying to pick a fight, but just correcting)
"But if you read my inputs, there is not a word about religion, but only about God. And everybody knows, that the God and religion are not the same terms."
Without a god/Gods there is no religion, without religion there isn't/aren't any god/gods :wink: .
Anyways, maybe a mod should move this thread, sorry I posted in wrong place, just that I'm used to use only the webmaster's ink. :bash:
conquestare legionare
11-07-2005, 22:52
richard everyone makes mistakes :smile: dont blame your self . religions were created by god (even if you dont beileve in god read this) to create a better world. they have human morale laws. its not the religions fault but the peoples fault, they abuse there religions for all kind of things. they use it for war for killing they make excuses forgeing them with religion. In my opinion its one of the greatest sin.
You can have and believe in God without the benefit of any religion, but you cannot have any religion without having a God/god as a focal part of it!
All religions look to someone or something to worship, that someone or something is the God/god for that religion. Religions are Catholicism, Islam, Buddhism, Baptists, Methodists, Church of God, Church of Christ, Presbyterian, Episcopalian, Lutheran, Mormon, Seventh Day Adventist's, Jehovah's Witness', Scientology, etc. .......
I do not believe in religion, I am not a religious man. I do however believe in God and His Son, Jesus Christ and the Holy Spirit. I am a Christian, but Christianity is not a religion, it is a walk with Christ, a total life changing experience, a unity with the Holy Trinity. God is my Father, Jesus Christ is my brother and the Holy Spirit is my Comforter. I have been adopted by the Father because of my belief in His Son Jesus, my repentance of my wrongdoings(sins) and my acceptance of His salvation.
He asks me to love and worship Him and no other, and to love my neighbor as I do myself
@conquestare legionare
Pardon me, but is killing someone for no other reason than having a different believe a moral law? Does dening scientific developments and discoveries, like Galileos discovery of the sun been the center of the universe, not the earth a moral law? Is slaving orther people just becasue they are yellow blue black a moral law? Is making women lower and treating them worst than animals a moral law? Is persecuting homosexuality and banning the use of contrasection to help control dieseases like HIV making a better world?????
I agree that religion has some good things and teachings, but has anyone, any bishiop, any pope ever actually use, fallow and set an example?? NO! Have them all been corrupt in a way or another? YES!
Religion allways stoped men from developing and growing in knowlege. Why do you think there where so many reforms during the enlightment and after that there was such a fast development? People finnally saw what the " all holy popes" where doing.
And why would God make so many different religions then? To have fun looking down from "heaven" how his little idiotic creation killed each other for who's religion was supreme..
There is one more thing I have to say. Religion teaches that god is powerfull, mercifull, that he forgives and that Jesus did what he did to clean all menkind of their sins. Now If he so much of a good guy why does religion teaches that if you are a sinner he will send you to hell to have a nice time with the devil. Why are there sins in the first place, as far as I know jesus cleaned all the sins and there aren't any. If he is so powerfull why all things happen, like th resent sunamy, or WWs, or the crusades, or any other disasters..
Anyways I think I better stop and not continue the list, because I think I'm going start flaming.
And why would God make so many different religions then?
God did not make religion, religion is man-made, man felt that there must be a set of rules to live by, so he(man) made a set of rules and called it religion and said it was given him by God. Whenever someone disagreed with that religion, they went out and started another religion with their set of beliefs, and that got repeated all through history until there are more religions than you can even name.
God sent His Son Jesus to die for the salvation of the world, but so many reject Him. God gives us a free will to make choices and you can choose to follow Jesus, or continue to follow the faults of mankind.
All the so called wars in the name of religion are just that "in the name of religion", religions that men claim God favors. Men try to justify their fighting by saying it is in the name of God that they fight, it is only in the name of their religion that they fight, a religion that is corrupt because God is not in it.
Please do not accuse God for the fallacies of things manmade.
conquestare legionare
11-07-2005, 23:40
richard richard!! calm down. in front of god everyone is equal not infront of humans.we humans are imperfect every single one of us, religion isnt. god didnt say that technolgy is forbidden but the backward brained church did. Technolgy is allowed as long as it doesnt go over the line of creation. cloneing for example is disrupting the circle of life. raceism is against gods creation and it should be fought at any coasts.slavery wasent orderd by god it was orderd by humans thinking there race is suprior (the term race doesnt exist we all are humans only in the stupidity it does ) . popes, cardinals have this imperfection which leads to alot of bad things. the imperfection floats in our blood cant you see that? .were does it lead?? to bad deeds you see its plain and simple impefection-mistakes !! murder,destruction,hatred,evilness,chaos!!!. we are the imperfects not -christaniy,islam,judasim,buddahism,hinduism. etc etc.
"raceism is against gods creation and it should be fought at any coasts."
There is a passage in the bible (GENESIS 19:1-11) where the non racist, forgiving god destroyed a city (sodom) because the people practise homosexuality :scratch: . An oxymoron?
Dobber, for what I understood your saying that the first form of religion that cave man practice is the only and true religion and from then on other religions appeared from this.
Also I agree that man made religion, and for what you said religion would be
a form of goverment. Now my question is, what would had stop this creators of religion from using it for their own good?( in a corrupt way).
Dogger, for what I understood your saying that the first form of religion that cave man practice is the only and true religion and from then on other religions appeared from this.
Nope, you misunderstood. I did not and am not saying any form of religion is the only and true religion. Jesus is the Way, the Truth, the Light, not religion.
A man can be religious and never know God.
And I am not saying that if you follow a religion, you are not following God, you can have a relationship with God through your religion, but you are also placing man made restraints on that relationship,
the problem is this:
many people think that God(s) has created humans. But in fact it were humans who have created gods.
But the fact is that it is good to believe in Gods as far as it keeps your good and moral person not hating other people for loving other gods.
I agree with you Dobber, but I would re-formulate your words:
Jesus is a way, a light a true, not the religion. As there are other ways and lights, Jesus can't be The One.
sorry, I don't want to do such clear(=for many of you probably provoking) statement, but I couldn't help myself
PS: yes, this should be moved to DMZ
btw, it is very funny to me to see how 2 threads with almost the same title turned to 2 very diferent topic: one about religions and one about politics
There is a passage in the bible (GENESIS 19:1-11) where the non racist, forgiving god destroyed a city (sodom) because the people practise homosexuality :scratch: . An oxymoron?
Sadly, we are not far from another Sodoma now. God will not remain silent for long.
God will not remain silent for long.he has already spoken. And bin Laden is his speaker...
this is not meant cynicaly
I agree with you Dobber, but I would re-formulate your words:
Jesus is a way, a light a true, not the religion. As there are other ways and lights, Jesus can't be The One.
That's just it Elvain, I cannot re-formulate my words, as I stated at some point in this, I am a Christian. As a Christian I believe Jesus Christ is the only way, the only light and the only truth. To say it in the way you suggest would be to say something contrary to my belief.
I respect a person that holds to what they believe, even if I do not believe the same way. I do not criticize anyone in what they believe. I would hope that you can understand why I cannot rephrase my statement and respect me for standing firm on my belief.
I see your point now Dobber :) If only all religius people could see it the
same way this world would be a better place, sadly that isn't the case and there will allway be fundementalists as long as all this religions keep fighting eachother without asking forgivenes to one another.
That's just it Elvain, I cannot re-formulate my words, as I stated at some point in this, I am a Christian. As a Christian I believe Jesus Christ is the only way, the only light and the only truth. To say it in the way you suggest would be to say something contrary to my belief.
I respect a person that holds to what they believe, even if I do not believe the same way. I do not criticize anyone in what they believe. I would hope that you can understand why I cannot rephrase my statement and respect me for standing firm on my belief.
Yes, I understand your point. I'm sorry if my wods ofended you. I respect your belief (or try to respect it as much as I can), but I can't help myself from seing the danger that fundamentalists see also The only and the right way.
The danger of all "The Only" ways is that they may be wrong but because they are "The Only right" they are being pushed forward without caring of "the other side's" values which are seen just Wrong.
I am happy you stay firmly at your belief, You have here something I will probably never have, I respect it and I am happy that you see the other side of the problem too
Thank you Elvain!
You do not have to respect my belief's, I can understand that you cannot respect something you do not believe, I just asked that you respect me for holding firm in what I believe, and I am glad that you do.
There is one difference in me and a lot of others that believe in only one way, and that is I will never try to push my belief's on anyone I will talk about them and discuss them with people and explain why I believe as I do, but I will never tell anyone they have to believe the way I do.
I usually do not post to threads with discussions about religion, because there is so much misunderstanding when it comes to religion. There is some right and some wrong in all religion. No religion has a monopoly on God, they are all based on some belief in God or a god. The only reason I posted to this one was because it was being assumed that God created all these different religions that were causing men to bicker and fight. I just wanted to clarify that man created religion and not God. There is an exception though and I am sorry I forgot that the Jewish religion was given the Jews by God, but he gave them a simple set of rules to live by. Over the years man has corrupted that set of rules by adding all these other subsets of rules. So even the Jewish religion has become man made.
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