Im just really curious...

[Sir Turylon]

Why actually Sir Drake.. or as I like to call you, Sir Hits on Heretic.... I plan on ignoring all non-Americans for the exception of 4zzy and the mods. :)

Our politics, our president... our choice. ;)

I'd like to see Bush run against Chirac. ROFL.. talk about your landslides for the Republicans.

Corky, Let me buy you a drink! :cheers:

[Ledhead]

Yeah, but your president keeps intefering in other countrys politics. I think we also would like to ignore non-whereeverthey'refrom, but it's hard when one guy always pulls our shirt and says "I know that guy over there is planning something really really bad to happen to us. Now I can't prove it, but I know it. C'mon let's get him!?".
And I had such high hopes for the world when the Sovietunion fell apart and communism "ended". The US was going to get rid of all the dictators now that they don't need them against world communism. But it seems they only dispose of the ones which they can't earn any money on under the pretext of "Democracy".
Sad...

[Sir Turylon]

Originally posted by Ledhead
Yeah, but your president keeps intefering in other countrys politics.

um. where?

[Spudster]

And also, being the strongest country in the world, wouldnt it be helpful for someone to help out poorer nations...

When, the UN inspectors were in Iraq, the iraqi's could move the weapons because they were moveable. When they did find one..(and they did) they were in the back of a semi with actual chemicals in them. The also found shells that were recent in the sand buried....

@ Sir Turylon & Cork2 :cheers:

[Ben Nevis]

those foto's were manipulated. Powell admitted that.

[Ledhead]

Originally posted by Sir Turylon
um. where?

most recent Iraq.
In the past Guatemala, Panama, Chile...
Castro has had around 7 attemptson his life signed CIA.
And that's just from the top of my head.

[Ledhead]

Originally posted by Sir Turylon
um. where?

Iran and Congo.
The USA held the apartheid government in South Arfica under it arms too, causing the death of thousands of black South Africans.

[Spudster]

but was that all one president....no. really bush has only done 2 contries...iraq and afgahnastan. both countries politics were horrible...especially when one trains terrorists and the other kills his own people and hides in a hole when captured....Also...really bush had to do something because of 9/11 because the poeple wanted payback....i do think bush handled himself very well in the situation....now if Gore was in that position......who knows what would have happened.....Of course every president really has the former president's issues...like Bush had to come over a low economy which was created by Clinton.....

[Ben Nevis]

South-America has had US supported dictators all over the place

[Spudster]

he said africa...and anyways it's not really if he's a dictator, it's if he has the same beleifs and knows how to use democracy through his dictatorship......really i havent heard much about africa or south america with the exception of Libia...laying down their nuclear weapons, but North Korea...who knows?..

[Ledhead]

Originally posted by Spudster
he said africa...and anyways it's not really if he's a dictator, it's if he has the same beleifs and knows how to use democracy through his dictatorship......really i havent heard much about africa or south america with the exception of Libia...laying down their nuclear weapons, but North Korea...who knows?..

Guatemala, Panama & Chile is in South-America!
Well technicaly Guatemala and Panama lies in Central-America.
I think a big part of the problem is that you Americans haven't heard much about anything happening outside your own borders and still you support Bush 100%. Anyone critisizing Bush is anti-American, if it's one of your own then he is un-patriotic.
Are you American starting to show the same behaviour the Germans did in the 1930ies, servile and un-questioning?
(No comparison between Bush vs. Hitler or nazis vs. Americans intended. Just that you don't question your own leaders actions as long as your gas prices are low and you get two Big Macs for the price of one...)

[Spudster]

Originally posted by Ledhead
Just that you don't question your own leaders actions as long as your gas prices are low and you get two Big Macs for the price of one...)
that would be heaven....but really if kerry is elected, i wont like it that much....its not that I would have a problem, it is just that i like bush...hands down.....Dont worry, we hear all aobut the world's news....

http://news.google.com/news/en/us/world.html...

Really the problem with all this argueing is that it is evryone's OPINION we all have different views on things and thats ok...

[Jimrad]

I voted for Bush

[Ledhead]

Originally posted by Spudster
Really the problem with all this argueing is that it is evryone's OPINION we all have different views on things and thats ok...

Of course it's OK!
but as long as someone is asking for an opinion or writes anything that I don't agree with, I'm going to use my democratic right to voice my opinion in the matter.

[Spudster]

same here!

[Sir Turylon]

Originally posted by Ledhead
Iran and Congo.
The USA held the apartheid government in South Arfica under it arms too, causing the death of thousands of black South Africans.

ah..
I see.. we are talking about all the past ones. Nothing from the past 4 years. Ok.

lol. IIRC, Iran was under the influence under a Democrat....

Shall we go back onto the topic.. or should we go into all the political meddling of Europe over the past century?

[Spudster]

Are you talking about the Iran-Contra hearings?....the one where Oliver North did some stuff?

[Sir Turylon]

Originally posted by Spudster
Are you talking about the Iran-Contra hearings?....the one where Oliver North did some stuff?

No, I think they are refering to the 1970s when we supported the Shah of Iran.

[Spudster]

hmmmm...ok, i see...but i do seem to like Oliver North's books. I also like to watch Hannity and Colmes on Fox News Channel

[4zzY]

here is a funny site
american state terrorism (http://free.freespeech.org/americanstateterrorism/)
i have to admit that most of it is total crap
but it is still quite impressive
USA is now doing what UK did during the colonial times
the same mistakes! the same shortsightedness
i dont think that the people who rule America are stupid
they are just cynical hypocrites
and think they can get away with everything
and are right of course noone would dare to confront USA

of all elections on Earth the us are those
which affect my way of life the most
and i hate it that i cant vote in them
however in the upcoming ones i dont know for whom would i vote
Bush is nobody and the people behind him
have an arogant aggressive and hypocrythical policy
if you think of how many enviromental treaties the US hasnt signed
ar it has but afterwords aventually withdrew
how it supports its economy on the expence of poor countries
environment emigration and war
and this is a continual policy of the country nomatter who the president is
with all those problems it would be easy for some democrat lets say
to claim im against war against pollution against economic globalisation etc
and eventually to win because the morality would be on his side
but the democrats act only as shades of the republicans
and follow the same policy
the hugest difference is in gay marriage and abortion
OH MY GOD the two most important issues in nowadays world...

and dont think that im some political freak
i actually hate all connected with politics
i just have some principles (rather naive and idealistic maybe) in my life
and i get mad when i see that the people responcible
for defending our rights are actually trying to screw us all

for me there is no choice in this US election even if i could vote
i can not convince myself to vote for Bush
but i think Kerry is even more dangerous
because pleace explain me how people can elect
the closest we now have to the leader of the world
without knowing who he is in what he believes and what he'll do
this is very sKery indeed