View Full Version : Who's playing with 1.05? - First impressions, please!
Wolf-2005
27-01-2007, 18:56
Any new about russian patch? please we are wont play to! :sick:
Sure is now after 8 hours play the patch needs small changes. I want make a small mod. Religion: The clerics cannot convert an provinces. The gold is too high for the AI. After i set down the Gold prices the clerics convert.(see picture) In 8 hours never cleric convert. The income is ok, but i think i must give the trader more boni so the AI becomes more gold if the AI place the trader in a town. This like the AI. Town income is to high. Kingdompower gold personally i dont like, must lower. I must give the AI more extra gold trough the taxes.
Fazit: The AI needs gold ! I must make a mod again.
By the way, the AI cannot cancel exotics...now sweden have for 2 hours no gold income..
I played my first game with the new patch, and it was short, violent and a complete disaster.
Settings: Normandy, early, hard.
I started with 1 province, my king had two grown up sons. I send my initial hired marshal away, made the king and the prince merchant and the younger prince a marshal. I concluded a trade agreement with France in exchange for a royal marriage between my princess and a French royal, which they wanted. Then I gave Brittany some gold presents to get a bride for my prince, which they agreed to after me paying a lot of money. I raised my reputation to 5. I managed to raise an army of Normans and then went to war against the 1 province Anglia, because they were at war with Brittany and I didn’t want them to conquer it before I could inherit it. The war dragged on endlessly, but finally I managed to capture Anglia. So far nothing special happend.
But then rose a rebel army in Anglia and immediately attacked the town (which I haven’t taken over yet)! I have never seen that before. They were defeated, but my army was reduced to 1 marshal with about 3 or 4 units (that is soldiers).
Later I inherited Brittany, which turned out to be a poor fish province. Then my king died and France wanted 2 out of my 3 provinces, which would have left me with only Brittany. Of course I denied, and was at war with France. Endless war again, finally I conquered Anjou and made a white peace. Unpleasant surprise: even though it was very early in the game (my 2. King was still juvenile), France was already fighting with crossbowmen.
From then on things went downwards. I needed peace to built up my country, but Wessex started to threaten me, although our relation were neutral and the Wessex king was described as peaceful and religious. I didn’t understand why he was so aggressive against me. Finally he declared war. The war was very tough, I finally conquered Kent, but he wouldn’t accept white peace.
Then York (which was neutral as well, and not in alliance with Wessex) declared war as well and that was a disaster. They sent 3 armies with siege equipment against Anglia and took it, against Essex and took it, against Normandy and took it, against Anjou and took it. My armies were no match for them. And to top it all, when I finally managed to scrape together my last remnants of an army and assaulted Normandy with it, Wales cancelled their trade agreement with me because “my attack on Normandy damages their trade and that I am scum anyway” (or something like that). My last attack on Normandy failed, and that was it.
Conclusion: I played how I had always played before and got defeated. Badly.
I think I will have to pay much more attention to diplomacy. I still do not understand why everybody hated me that much, even though I didn’t break any treaties, and I often released captured marshals after peace to improve my reputation.
Congratulations for this excellent patch :go: It's a real challenge now. .
It is great to hear everyone talking about their difficulties in tha game and then saying to the effect, "Wow this is great!"
I have only played on hard, so far, I wonder how it is in normal difficulty?
kevincompton
27-01-2007, 23:11
I'm getting wasted with the no pause.. gonna start over with pause on battles and try to be more careful in diplomacy.
One thing i noticed, however, the AI still isn't very strong attacking any cities that have walls. Although I haven't been attacked by an AI army with siege stuff yet...
Lord_Nick
27-01-2007, 23:16
Conclusion: I played how I had always played before and got defeated. Badly.
I think I will have to pay much more attention to diplomacy. I still do not understand why everybody hated me that much, even though I didn’t break any treaties, and I often released captured marshals after peace to improve my reputation.
Did you read the release notes on the patch?
NEW: As the player’s kingdom grows, neighbouring AI kingdoms now get more hostile to the player and friendlier to their other neighbours (tweakable).
So you conquered Anglia and Anjou, and inherited Brittany ... and all your neighbours hated you :scratch: ... sounds like the new feature is working fine and you have to change your tactics.
Slowly I'm finding some things that make the AI comparatively weaker.
1) The Kingdom power penalty is too high. Especially for the larger kingdoms who have very bad possibility to increase it
2) AI building - AI hardly builds palisades and city walls
The military aspect is perfect: the AI buys lot of good units, but it's economy still could be better. But fortunately it's tweakable
Did you read the release notes on the patch?
So you conquered Anglia and Anjou, and inherited Brittany ... and all your neighbours hated you :scratch: ... sounds like the new feature is working fine and you have to change your tactics.
but the strange thing was that they didn't hate me, they were neutral. There must be some other mechanism.
kevincompton
28-01-2007, 00:27
Slowly I'm finding some things that make the AI comparatively weaker.
1) The Kingdom power penalty is too high. Especially for the larger kingdoms who have very bad possibility to increase it
2) AI building - AI hardly builds palisades and city walls
The military aspect is perfect: the AI buys lot of good units, but it's economy still could be better. But fortunately it's tweakable
Is it possible to fix what the AI builds?
hawk_knight
28-01-2007, 15:20
It is great to hear everyone talking about their difficulties in tha game and then saying to the effect, "Wow this is great!"
I have only played on hard, so far, I wonder how it is in normal difficulty?
thats true even i did that :biggrin: as i am playing with bohemia now :cheers: and i am winning lands from germany but am also going to be in an very ugly war with hungary :wink: as its gotten very huge and lays next to me on the map
Kuno of Gersenau
28-01-2007, 18:54
I think today was the first time that I was in danger to loose after having conquered more then 5 provinces. I was still playing with Epirus and conquered the whole southern Balkan. I had an alliance with the Hungarians (2nd most powerfull kingdom) in the North and my king's daughter was married to their king. Same time my prince was married with the daughter of the Emperor of Trebizond.
When the emperor died I insisted on my right to get their provinces, but they refused, meaning my kingdom power dropped to -5. My income rapidly decreased to nearly zero. But anyway I salied to Asia and conqueder the province of Sinop. Gently as I am I allowed the Trebizonds to become my vassals. But then, already having a Province in Asia, I decided to conquer Nicea and to reunite Byzantia. But after I decleared war to them all Asian kingdoms (Seldjouks, Armenia, Baghdad, Antioch, Cyprus) decleared war on me and oly a short time afterwards Cumans from the north and Venice from the west did the same. Anyway I could conquer Nicea, but at the same time the Cumans took several provinces on the Balcan from me. ( I only had 2 marshalls)
So I returned to Europe to defend my homeland. Needless to say, short time afterwards all my Asian provinces were overrun by my enemies and then my king died as well. Hungary demanded provinces and I had to agree because I wasn't able to compete with their military forces. Finally I managed to make peace with the Asian enemys and could concentrate on the Cumans, at a time my kingdom was reduced on three provinces and my armies had only half of their strengt because I didn't have the money to refill them.
Luckily with the help of Hungary I was afterwards able to reconquer some provs from the Cumans so I could rebuild my dominance over Southen Balkan....
uau, Croatia conquered Rome and whole catholic europe declared war at them. i (1 marshall of georgia), 2 marshalls of byzantium and 2 m. of italy tried to conquer the town, but it was impossible. finally only my marshall was left so i run whole the province (enemy marshall following me) while new marshall of italy appeared. i attacked enemy, won and italy conquered Rome.
Great patch, great! :D
btw, computer really showed he has more powerful countries :)
oh, and knights are really better now than the others.
Great story, Kuno.
I started a game as Epirus too, but it took me only 2 hours.
first I was too weak to be able to do any expansion, but then The Latins conquered Karvuna in Bulgaria and convinced Saloniki to join them. As Bulgaria seemed to be occupied on their eastern border I cowardly declared war, but it had strong defense so I agreed to their peace proposal in which I got it.
In this war I first met Latin army with strong crusader units. Later Saloniki and Athens declared independence from Latins (having Thrace, Moesia and Dobrudja) so I joined them (also because they were my trading partners.
My bad economical situation forced me to plunder in Latin lands, but my marshals were instantly attacked, so I had to pull back to Macedonia. Then 3 Latin mashals invaded my lands, Hungary (2nd strongest country) declared war on me and Sicily joined them.
Attacked from 3 sides I bravely but desperately fought for survival another 20 minutes, going from one defeat to another, being unable to sign a peace with any of sides (not even offer of Macedonia and vasalage - all I could offer - was enough for the Latins)
In two separate games now I have had my cleric to be chosen as Pope when the first Papal death occured, neither of them had any stars yet. In my Normandy game, I made my second prince of my first King cleric so I coould avoid the spy problem I had in the Ireland game, and dang it, lost him to be Pope! I wish there was the option to refuse the appointment to Pope, I have never seen any advantage of having the Pope sit in your court. I usually dismiss him right away. I hate losing royal blood knights, that are guaranteed not to be spies, to the Papal order!
my first game wasn't that hard, croatia on hard
two kings time, 8 provinces + germany is a vassal
10 minutes after start I had cca 200 gold income with 7 merchants
byzantia owns 1/3 of the world
10 minutes after start I had cca 200 gold income with 7 merchants
:lol: with 7 merchants? no wonder :go:
You're lucky yet...
My Bohemia game. I rarely declare a war, always prefere peacefull ways of expansion and building the economy first. But what happened in this game was simply unbelievable.
Almost all my neigbours declared war at me (http://img295.imageshack.us/img295/598/bohemiawars2mn0.jpg) (Venice and Austria were just re-born, so thanks to our former good relations they left my south-eastern border safe - on the next screenshot you can see that before hungarian king has died heirless not a single mile of my borders was safe)
But not only they did, they all did it during some 3 minutes (http://img295.imageshack.us/img295/3016/bohemiawars1lz6.jpg)!
But not only this. They also Invaded my lands (http://img201.imageshack.us/img201/1237/bohemiabrandenburgzh6.jpg) and conquered 2 my provinces, besieging other 3! None of them agreed to any peace offer, except offering something (didn't try it). And when I hired a new knight to run around and catch all the rebels he appeared to be a spy from Savoy.
Furthemore I wasn't able to refill my squads (as usualy with this patch) so it was getting harder and harder to wina a battle.
Fortunately my king died (in this case I must be serious) and I was able to sign peace treaties with some of them, sign spy-peace with Savoy, eliminate the smallest of them and then continue with those I wanted to revenge on (Poland and Teutons who took my provinces)
rmhainlen
29-01-2007, 05:21
I wish I had more time to type but....I need to sleep.
I started with germany on hard.....big mistake.
I have though, manage to take out Denmark, Norway, and Sweden but I am constantly at war with everyone and average about 15 gold income. Not looking to bright.
I love the patch!
(side note: I have noticed that the game doesn't make me use my cd to play anymore. Does that mean I could install the game on multiple pcs? Like on my laptop, too?)
Anguille2
29-01-2007, 14:24
I have played 2 or 3 hours with Switzerland....but i still have only one province as the Kingdom of Lombardy keeps invading me! :eek:
Mmmmh i wonder if i'll switch to normal difficulty when playing with small Kingdoms...:biggrin:
I am currently in my third game(the first two I have saved to go back to later). I installed KoH on my other(better) computer and I started a game on it as Sicily on "Normal". "Normal" with the patch is still fairly difficult in the beginning, but as you grow in size, the AI still pretty much has very little chance. I have noticed the powers seem to be holding on to their kingdoms pretty well, I saw Germany recover from a -5 kingdom power all the way up to +5 kingdom power with a fairly healthy bank account. Papacy has remained at one province the entire game! I got tired of Crusades against me and converted to the Catholic church and went from +5 kingdom power all the way down to -5 kingdom power, but recovered fairly quickly. I have developed a system for dealing with the cleric to Pope election. I have also noticed that as Sicily, I can recruit Feudal Knights practically everywhere as long as I have the military buildings in place.
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