Holy Rome - Elvain's mod

[Finellach]

If you don't like it, don't read it...no one is forcing you.
And I couldn't care less for what you and your little trollish friends think of Croatia.

[razerback]

omfg....nc

[Finellach]

Please write in English.

[Illuminatus!]

Translation from text-speak->English.

"Oh my ****ing god (?)nice comment(?)"

[Finellach]

He's already been reported three times...two for sending me offensive PMs. Strangely when I asked him where is he from he doesn't answer....I'd really like to know from which so high and advanced country is he from...

[Cro_Knight]

hey finellach as a fellow croat i will be proud to play a version of yurr mod

[Finellach]

Ok it finally works. I need to fix some minor things and it will be good...I hope. I'll put it up for those who want it...

[Elvain]

OFFTOPIC: stop discussing national problems (every nation has itś ups and downs. But nobody here lies about history. If somebody doesn´t care of it, there is no need to blame somebody who cares. If you don´t care about it, don´t read it.
Any other post offending any nation or person in this thread will be deleted and the writer will be reported to webmaster.

Back to the topic:
@Master - the upkeep of marshalls is now ballanced a bit better, so you can have 3 marshalls (upkeep changed from 8000 to 400 - so it´s not so impossible)
@Finellach - thanks for suggestions.
1) kingdom description is in texts.pak .... kingdomdescr (the exact path I´ll give you today evening)
2) I can´t rename Panonia to Slavonia as I already said many times before.
My reason is: however it looks like Slavonia due to its position on the map, so it is very tempting for all Croats to make it Slavonia, there is one very important objective problem. Slavonia is WEST of Danube, NORTH of Sava river and SOUTH of Drava/Drau river, while Danube(east-west direction) flows far north from Slavonia. If you look at strategic vieww, you can see Danube right on the northern border of province of Panonia, so it can´t be Slavonia because Slavonia is not between Austria and core of Hungary (area between Danube and Tisza)

make it in your mod if you like it and if you want to expand your nation, but I in my public mod can´t do this because it would steal Hungarians their land

The problem with Carinthia and carinthian nation wil be solved as soon as I will have my i-net connection working properly at home (today evening-hopefully)
PS: the changes you suggested in description of Croatia will be considered and very probably added to my mod

[Elvain]

Dude, Every nation has had it's ups and downs, you're making Croatia seem like they were the biggest and most important nation in Europe through history...don't know if we red the same post, but there was nothing like this in the post you have quoted. It corresponds with what I've learned about Croats at university :go: (except rich and powerfull kingdom-what could be understood in many ways: in the region(north-west Balkans)-sure, in bigger region(Hungary-Byzantine emp-HRE-Italy)-it's not so sure,it was one of medium kingdoms in the shadow of HRE, Hungary, papal institution and Byzantine empire, and in context of whole Europe it is not true at all - as well as case of my country-Bohemia-almost a superpower "inside" HRE and in Poland, important in central Europe(HRE,Poland,Hungary,northern Italy), almost a marginal kingdom in Europe

Anyway, I'll try your mod once I finish the game I'm playing but I have a suggestion for ya, if you have the time for it anyway. How about trying to do a map of Europe during another time period? Before or after the ones in the game. I think that'd be pretty neat.Yes, I thought about it. My idea is Carolingian Europe... but it would require lot of time

[dreych]

finellach: ignore thoosem f****...but i do know that we slovenians-karantanians had the FIRST slavic state of all slavic nations...

greetz

[dreych]

and it is true that every nation had ups and downs...like carinthia: from a small region to very very lagre great karantanija.

grettz

[Elvain]

well, ok, but come back on topic. Thanks.

[Finellach]

Ok I finally figured it up and I did all the changes I said I would do.
First to Elvain - you are talking about today region of Slavonia in Croatia. The two regions had little in common. Kingdom of Slavonia held whole continental Croatia at one point and one cannot cofuse it with anything since at that time Slavonia was Hungarian not Croatian land. Second the map or should I say rivers on the map are not correct so we can't take that as a guidance.
And last as I said I don't know how would this be "stealing land" from Hungarians when one knows that Slavonia belonged to Hungary at that time and it will belong to Hungary in whole game...at least at starting points :D

@dreych - I read you. I planning to do a revision on most kingdom descriptions. I appreaciate very much what Elvain did, but I don't think his descritpion is suited for Carinthia...it should be...well better.

Anyway what I did so far:
1. Renamed provinces and some kingdom names(corrected the spelling mistakes etc...) -
Cambria - Wales
Flandre - Flanders
Bretagne - Brittany
Lorraine - Luxembourg
Pfalz - Lorraine
Champagne - Francia(Ile de France)
Alsace - Champagne
Hesse(or Nassau - german province under Brandenbrug) - Thuringia
Panonia - Slavonia
Pest - Pressburg(I might change this to Transdanubia)
Hungaria - Pest
Carpatia - Nitra
Krakow - Cracow
Oslo - Akershus
Nyland - Karelia
Karelia - Bjarmia
Kilikia - Cilicia
Dacia - Wallachia
Moesia - Turnovo
Karvuna - Dobrudja
Kurdistan - Vaspourakan
Lebanon - Tyre
Palestina - Palestine
Saredenia - Sardinia
etc, etc....few other spelling mistakes in names.

The Kingdoms to which I made the corrections is the so called 'Duchy of Spain'. Now it's called 'Spanish Mark' as it should be. I also need to add a new and suitable kingdom descritpion to this kingdom.

I also changed the names of the towns so Raska capial is now Ras, Bosnian is Vrhbosna(old name for Sarajevo), Croatia/Istria is Senj, Slavonia/Panonia is Gradec(Zagreb), etc...

2. Added new regions/cultures
First I correct the mistake in Carinthian 'Knez' title...don't know why but Elvain seemed to forgot to include it in titles;more.tsv file....now I added it and it works normal.
I also added Croatian region, although this region could be called Croatian-Bosnian region, composed of Slavonia/Panonia, Croatia/Istria, Bosnia and Dalmatia. The title is 'Ban'.
The other region/culture I added is the Dutch region made off Friesland, Flanders and Luxembourg(ex-Lorraine). The title is 'Graaf'.

The second part was composed of correcting and adding some others titles so now French region has the right title - 'Comte, Hungarians have 'Groef' and Romanian/Wallachian 'Domn'.

3. I corrected mistakes in titles
1000. A.D. period:
Carinthia - changed from Duchy to Principality
Papacy - from Duchy to Dominion
Germany - from Empire to Kingdom
Genoa - from Kingom to Republic
1200. A.D. period:
Bohemia - from Duchy to Kingdom
Lombardy - from Duchy to League(not sure if Elvain already included this) led by Doge
Salonica - from Duchy to Kingdom
Teutonic Order - from Kingdom to Dominion
1350. A.D. period:
Austria - correct spelling, Archduchy was spelled with small letter 'archduchy'
Holland - from Duchy to County
Vidin - from Principality to Tzardom
Muscovy - from Principality to Grand Principality
Provence - from Kingdom to County
Teutonic Order - fro Kingdom to Dominion
Switzerland - from Kingdom to Confederation
Papacy - from Duchy to Dominion
Tuscany - from Kingdom to Duchy
Germany - from Empire to Kingdom

Also the 'Doge of Papacy' is no longer a 'Doge' but a 'Pope' as it should be. I didn't know what to make the leader of Switzerland so I came up with the closest 'Grand Master'....if someone would be so kind to fill me on the title I would appreciate it very much. I did many other spelling and other mistake corrections in titles...

Now the last thing for me to is to add the new Serbian names and Dutch names in the 'eu_knights' TSV file, updating and correcting some kingdom descritpions and the upgrade will be finished.

[Tzar Kalojan]

I am not doing anything of the sort. The irst descritpion was lame, this one is 100% true and correct and much better.



I doubt you'll play my mod since I probably won't make it public. Second of all tampering with the map is not posibble.

Well, I can say the Bulgarian description is "lame" since it doesn't talk about our butt kicking of Byzantium at certain times... but I don't say that. Hell, anyone can argue about the description of their nation, about it not being good enough.

Also, I was reffering to the mod the thread was made for (duuh).

[Finellach]

Well, I can say the Bulgarian description is "lame" since it doesn't talk about our butt kicking of Byzantium at certain times... but I don't say that. Hell, anyone can argue about the description of their nation, about it not being good enough.

I don't see whats your problem. It's not like I wrote anything that was not true nor do I think it says more than Croatia was. If one doesn't like the descritpion he can request a change and I will gladly comply.

[Elvain]

first @Tzar Kalojan. I don't know where is your problem too. You said that you don't like description of Bulgaria, but your criticism is faced against Finellachand his good-more propper-description of Croatia? Why? What is the reason of that, could you explain? (please answer it via PM, I don't want to flood his thread by this) Thanks

Finellach? what a great work you have done. Here are my comments to it. Before you read them. It's great, go on I like many your changes!!! :go:

And last as I said I don't know how would this be "stealing land" from Hungarians when one knows that Slavonia belonged to Hungary at that time and it will belong to Hungary in whole game...at least at starting points :D you should know how Hungarians are sensitive about naming of "their" land. they feel it as stealing of land (many of them, not all. I'm changing only what is really necesary)

@dreych - I read you. I planning to do a revision on most kingdom descriptions. I appreaciate very much what Elvain did, but I don't think his descritpion is suited for Carinthia...it should be...well better.I know it, I appreciate it :go:

Anyway what I did so far:
1. Renamed provinces and some kingdom names(corrected the spelling mistakes etc...) -
Cambria - Wales Elvain:Cambria is not bad
Flandre - Flanders Elvain:Flandres-I prefere French spelling
Bretagne - BrittanyElvain:Bretagne-I prefere French spelling
Lorraine - Luxembourg Elvain:well, with this I may agree, but the capital is Cologne, there is no other region for Cologne and Cologne definitively deserve to be in game, so I leave it as it is on the game
Pfalz - Lorraine Elvain:no I must disagree. Pfalz is right for this region-north of Alsace, south of Lorraine (Lorraine is a very wide region, but for me it fits far more for original Lorraine
Champagne - Francia(Ile de France)
Alsace - Champagne Elvain: comment to last 2 changes: if looking only to the map of France I would agree, but there is one thing wrong: it doesn't fit to Germany, Germany would then be too small. And would you put Champagne to Germany? NEVER! Also: Champagne could be put among Normandy[B](W-not exact,but could be tolerated),Ille-de-France(SW-ok,W only would be better, but it's good), Flandres(N-if I consider that Flandre consist of Flandre+Hainaut+Brabant, it's perfect), Burgundy(S-exactly right!), Lorraine(NE-right), Pfalz(E-almost right) and Alsace(SE-if I consider that KoH Alsace consists of Alsace, Lorraine-Metz and France-Comté, it's almost perfect!), but I can't imagine it among Ille-de-France(NW-well OK), Lorraine(N,maybe but not N of it),Swabia(E-nnever! no word about Bavaria!),Switzerland(E-never!), Savoy!!(S-Never) and Burgundy(SW-would be right)
Hesse(or Nassau - german province under Brandenbrug) - Thuringia Elvain: Under Brandenburg is Bohemia, what is in original version Hesse should be Franconia, Thuringia fits to the right next West of it
Panonia - SlavoniaElvain: I would never put Slavonia SE of Austria
Pest - Pressburg(I might change this to Transdanubia) Elvain: You probably mean Buda. I don't want to touch Hungarian hearts. Honestly. The realms should be put in different way in Hungary
Hungaria - Pest
Carpatia - NitraElvain: no, no, I would never put Nitra so much on east(Imagine-Ukrainian Podole is north of It, Nitra is south of Krakow!
Krakow - Cracow Elvain: I prefere local names, so Polonian
Oslo - Akershus Elvain: well, I have no idea
Nyland - Karelia
Karelia - Bjarmia Elvain: I like those 2
Kilikia - Cilicia Elvain: I never minded K, but yest it's more correct English
Dacia - Wallachia Elvain: yes, better, I didn't consider it as so bad to change it, I prefered those "terrible locations" instead
Moesia - Turnovo Elvain: yes, better, I didn't consider it as so bad
Karvuna - Dobrudja Elvain: yes, better, I didn't consider it as so bad
Kurdistan - Vaspourakan Elvain:I did it, didn't I?
Lebanon - Tyre Elvain: I don't think Lebanon is so bad, it's wider
Palestina - Palestine Elvain: yes, better spelling, but Palestina is not as bad as Sylezia :smile:
Saredenia - Sardinia Elvain: Sardenia is right English, isn't it?
etc, etc....few other spelling mistakes in names.

The Kingdoms to which I made the corrections is the so called 'Duchy of Spain'. Now it's called 'Spanish Mark' as it should be. I also need to add a new and suitable kingdom descritpion to this kingdom. well my changes areblue.
About Spain. It would be enough to change the title. If you unite Aragon and Castilia and you will be called March of Spain, you'd be disgusted :)

I also changed the names of the towns so Raska capial is now Ras, Bosnian is Vrhbosna(old name for Sarajevo), Croatia/Istria is Senj, Slavonia/Panonia is Gradec(Zagreb), etc...I like those changes, but I think Belgrade is fine for Raska (look at my discussion with @Xuca). Also, Vrhbosna is more correct, but I'm not making my changes only for historians. Sarajevo is just newer(but not so new) name, used from 14th century I guess, it's fine for me. And due to fact that for Me Panonia is Panonia and not Panonia, Croatia/Istria has Zagreb as capital (Zagreb for same reasons why Belgradeand Sarajevo-for better orientation, who would find it? Imagine, you are French-so don't know much about Croatia andwhole "eastern" Europe, you play game, find some strange city as capital of Croatia, try to look it up in the map, but it isn't there because it's old name of Zagreb-it's just the same city. Yes, I did this in case of Volgograd, but Volgograd exists since 1991, its a bit to olate for me, 14th century is fine)

2. Added new regions/cultures
First I correct the mistake in Carinthian 'Knez' title...don't know why but Elvain seemed to forgot to include it in titles;more.tsv file....now I added it and it works normal.
I also added Croatian region, although this region could be called Croatian-Bosnian region, composed of Slavonia/Panonia, Croatia/Istria, Bosnia and Dalmatia. The title is 'Ban'.
The other region/culture I added is the Dutch region made off Friesland, Flanders and Luxembourg(ex-Lorraine). The title is 'Graaf'.After some main changes that were necessary, I concentrated on something else than just renaming etc. Also I can't change what I don't know :smile: and instead of looking it up, I prefered some improvements in game ballance, enriching the game with new units, buildings etc. I appreciate you do this :go:

The second part was composed of correcting and adding some others titles so now French region has the right title - 'Comte, Hungarians have 'Groef' and Romanian/Wallachian 'Domn'.yes, Comte is in my "unreleased version of KoH, for the others I am not as educated as you are :go:

3. I corrected mistakes in titles
1000. A.D. period:
Carinthia - changed from Duchy to PrincipalityElvain: In this period Carinthia IS Principality in my mod :smile:
Papacy - from Duchy to Dominion
Germany - from Empire to Kingdom
Genoa - from Kingom to Republic Elvain: I guess I did it too, didn't I?
PS:Genoa is not in 1000 I guess
1200. A.D. period:
Bohemia - from Duchy to KingdomElvain: :go: how could I forgot? no I didn't want to make unfair protection to my country
Lombardy - from Duchy to League(not sure if Elvain already included this) led by DogeElvain: this I am sure it's done - league, led by doge
Salonica - from Duchy to Kingdom
Teutonic Order - from Kingdom to Dominion Elvain: ow could I forgot it?
1350. A.D. period:
Austria - correct spelling, Archduchy was spelled with small letter 'archduchy' Elvain: in fact I'm gonna change it back to Duchy, Archduchy was later (in 15th century)
Holland - from Duchy to County Elvain: I was so happy to change Gelre to Holland that I forgot it. Sorry
Vidin - from Principality to Tzardom
Muscovy - from Principality to Grand PrincipalityElvain: how could I forgot it?
Provence - from Kingdom to County Elvain:h ow could I forgot it?
Teutonic Order - fro Kingdom to Dominion Elvain: how could I forgot it?
Switzerland - from Kingdom to ConfederationElvain: I planned to make it comonwealth, couldn't find the right word. confederation, that's it!
Papacy - from Duchy to DominionElvain: how could I forgot it?
Tuscany - from Kingdom to DuchyElvain: how could I forgot it?
Germany - from Empire to KingdomElvain: Great, how could I forgot it?

Also the 'Doge of Papacy' is no longer a 'Doge' but a 'Pope' as it should be. I didn't know what to make the leader of Switzerland so I came up with the closest 'Grand Master'....if someone would be so kind to fill me on the title I would appreciate it very much. I did many other spelling and other mistake corrections in titles...I suggest Steward (not of Gondor)
it's better thanking, better than duke or any other feudal title and I have no better idea. Only Governor, but it sounds so... American, sorry

[Finellach]

Finellach? what a great work you have done. Here are my comments to it. Before you read them. It's great, go on I like many your changes!!! :go:

Thanks. :cool:

you should know how Hungarians are sensitive about naming of "their" land. they feel it as stealing of land (many of them, not all. I'm changing only what is really necesary)

Well I am not stealing anything....I just changed it to a more proper name.

Cambria is not bad
Flandres-I prefere French spelling
Bretagne-I prefere French spelling

I prefer English spelling. I think it's stupid to have French, English and other native spellings alltogether. I think all of them should be in one spelling if posibble and that is English in this case. Of course some are the same as in English as in Native...for example Anjou, etc...

well, with this I may agree, but the capital is Cologne, there is no other region for Cologne and Cologne definitively deserve to be in game, so I leave it as it is on the game
no I must disagree.

Cologne is in the game. It's the capital of Lorraine as in original...only Lorraine is now more to the it's real position. :wink:

Pfalz is right for this region-north of Alsace, south of Lorraine (Lorraine is a very wide region, but for me it fits far more for original Lorraine

Pfalz is IMO something that does not fits into this game. Pfalz was a small city-county that had no real importance.

Francia(Ile de France)
comment to last 2 changes: if looking only to the map of France I would agree, but there is one thing wrong: it doesn't fit to Germany, Germany would then be too small. And would you put Champagne to Germany? NEVER! Also: Champagne could be put among Normandy[B](W-not exact,but could be tolerated),Ille-de-France(SW-ok,W only would be better, but it's good), Flandres(N-if I consider that Flandre consist of Flandre+Hainaut+Brabant, it's perfect), Burgundy(S-exactly right!), Lorraine(NE-right), Pfalz(E-almost right) and Alsace(SE-if I consider that KoH Alsace consists of Alsace, Lorraine-Metz and France-Comté, it's almost perfect!), but I can't imagine it among Ille-de-France(NW-well OK), Lorraine(N,maybe but not N of it),Swabia(E-nnever! no word about Bavaria!),Switzerland(E-never!), Savoy!!(S-Never) and Burgundy(SW-would be right)
Hesse(or Nassau - german province under Brandenbrug)

I don't agree. Thats why I changed it the way I did. This way it is far more correct IMO.

Under Brandenburg is Bohemia, what is in original version Hesse should be Franconia, Thuringia fits to the right next West of it

Don't know the exact regions but Franconia should border with Flanders and Luxembourg and Lorraine.

I would never put Slavonia SE of Austria

Well thats your choice...I tend to go with historical facts and it is a fact that Slavonia was SE of Austria. Check the Euratlas 1300 AD map. :wink:

You probably mean Buda. I don't want to touch Hungarian hearts. Honestly. The realms should be put in different way in Hungary

Yes I meant Buda. Original Buda is now Pressburg(I'll change it to Transdanbia with Pecs as capital) and Hungaria(really terrible name) is now Pest with Buda as capital.

no, no, I would never put Nitra so much on east(Imagine-Ukrainian Podole is north of It, Nitra is south of Krakow!

Well it's not my fault that map is completly wrong. Nitra is the Duchy/County that had a capital of Kosice(Nitra).

I prefere local names, so Polonian

As said I prefer English over native spelling.

Akershus Elvain: well, I have no idea

Well I had no idea too, but I know that Oslo is wrong. Oslo was not even a name of that city until 19th century so I copied it from Crusader Kings and named it after their Duchy of Akershus(after all the makers of the game are Swedes so they should know :biggrin: ) with the capital of Oslo(which will probably be renamed to Christiania or whatever the city was called until 19th century).

yes, better, I didn't consider it as so bad to change it, I prefered those "terrible locations" instead

Well the thing is that Dacia sounds too antique....it should have it's more known medieval name.

Vaspourakan Elvain:I did it, didn't I?

Nope you changed the capital yes, but the province was still "Kurdistan"...don't know who came up with that terrible name...

Tyre Elvain: I don't think Lebanon is so bad, it's wider

Tyre and Lebanon are the same thing. Tyre was the name for Duchy and Lebanon is just a city...Lebanon is still capital of Tyre. :wink:

Sardenia is right English, isn't it?

I am sure Sardinia is more right.


About Spain. It would be enough to change the title. If you unite Aragon and Castilia and you will be called March of Spain, you'd be disgusted :)

I don't think you can unite Aragon and Castile.

I like those changes, but I think Belgrade is fine for Raska (look at my discussion with @Xuca).

I obviously don't agree. Belgrade was at that time Hungarian city in the province of Banat/Temes. Rashka got it's name by the capital of that region - Ras(pronounced Rash)

Also, Vrhbosna is more correct, but I'm not making my changes only for historians. Sarajevo is just newer(but not so new) name, used from 14th century I guess, it's fine for me.

Sarajevo was a name that came into use in late 15th and later in 16th century. It's Turkish and completly wrong since Bosnia had nothing with Turks at the time this game begins.

And due to fact that for Me Panonia is Panonia and not Panonia, Croatia/Istria has Zagreb as capital (Zagreb for same reasons why Belgradeand Sarajevo-for better orientation, who would find it? Imagine, you are French-so don't know much about Croatia andwhole "eastern" Europe, you play game, find some strange city as capital of Croatia, try to look it up in the map, but it isn't there because it's old name of Zagreb-it's just the same city. Yes, I did this in case of Volgograd, but Volgograd exists since 1991, its a bit to olate for me, 14th century is fine)

I don't care what one might think. This is how it should be and thats why I made these changes.

After some main changes that were necessary, I concentrated on something else than just renaming etc. Also I can't change what I don't know :smile: and instead of looking it up, I prefered some improvements in game ball ce, enriching the game with new units, buildings etc. I appreciate you do this :go:

No prob. :go:

yes, Comte is in my "unreleased version of KoH, for the others I am not as educated as you are :go:

I simply knew that 'Ban' as title for Hungary and Romanian principalities is wrong....so I looked it up and found that Hungarian for Count is Groef, Domn is Romanian for Lord and while we can say that Hungarians did use Ban at some point(throught Croats) Romanians definately didn't used it.

I suggest Steward (not of Gondor)
it's better thanking, better than duke or any other feudal title and I have no better idea. Only Governor, but it sounds so... American, sorry

Hmm....Stewerd as you say reminds me too much of other things....I don't know...Grand Master still sounds to me somehow better....I'll do some research...

Btw. due to complains I am making Croatian "too strong" in my description I changed it to this -> "Beginnings of the Croatian state are in the 7th century when Croats came down from the North by invitation of Byznatine Emperor Heraclius to fight of the Avars. They soon accepted Christianity becoming one of the first Slavs to do so. In 925 Croatia became a kingdom ruled by Trpimirovic dynasty. Following the exticntion of Trpimirovic dynasty Croatia suffered internal strife and several wars with Hungary until it was finally subded into 800-year long personal union with Hungarian crown (1097 - 1102)."

I also chaged descriptions for "Spain"(Spanish Marches)
"After Visigothic Spain fell to the Moors in 711 Charlemagne's son Louis the Pious took Barecelona in 801 and esatblished a foothold in the borderland between Franks and Moors. The Carolingian "Spanish Marches" (Marca Hispanica) became a buffer zone ruled by the Count of Barcelona. It was composed of small separate territories, each ruled by a lesser miles with armed retainers. Each was the "catlá" and the region dotted with strongholds became known by them, like Castile at a later date, as Catalonia."

Also HRE descritpions were wrong because they describe that eastern part became HRE but then it goes on to say that central part is Burgundy, Netherlands and Lorraine(Lotharingia). Thats wrong....eastern part is Germany. Frankish Empire was in three parts actually - France, Germany and Burgundy, Lorraine and Netherlands(Low Countries).

So HRE ->
"After the death of the Frankish King Louis the Pious, the Frankish lands were divided in the Treaty of Verdun (AD 843) into a western part, which was the basis of later France, an eastern part, which was the future Germany, and a central region which became northern Italy, the Low Countries and Burgundy. Emerging from the eastern part of the Frankish realm after its division it lasted almost a millennium formally, until its dissolution in 1806."

Germany ->
"Germany's existence begins with the 9th Century division of Charlemagne's Frankish Empire into two parts, eastern and western. The eastern part was the beginning of what is now Germany, the western part that of France.
In 911, kingship passed firstly to Conrad of Franconia and then in 919 to Henry the Fowler, founder of the Saxon dynasty, whose son Otto I the Great reclaimed the title Holy Roman Emperor in 962. "

[Elvain]

IMPORTANT:
at the end of this post, there is HolyRome 1.2 version (new building-Hospital), some detail changes, but iportant thing is, that it's in exact folders, so also those who unpacked all .pak files can easily use it :wink:

PS: those who don't want to try my changes in defs (if you like Angryminer's GoG1.4 so much that you don't want to try anything else), download only HR1.2defs.zip and HR1.2maps.zip The last: HR1.2defs+.zip includes changes in files that Angryminer has changed in his GoG1.4)
I divided the file because it was too big:
- HR1.2defs.zip - defs and images - includes new buildings (but not all necessary files, it works only with HR1.2maps.zip)
- HR1.2maps.zip - maps and texts - includes renamings, new kingdoms etc
- HR1.2defs+.zip - defs - those are only changed from Angryminers GoG1.4

[Finellach]

Pfalz was not a big by it's territory, but by importance... I would compare it to Venice...

I wouldn't....not even close...

we both mean different Lorraine - I mean Lorraine as Lotharingia where Cologne was a centre of region.. you mean french duchy of Lorraine (original Upper Lorraine) around Metz. If you insist on renaming it, the capital of your Lorraine can't be Cologne, but Metz (can't imagine Cologne south of Paris :eek: )

Yes you are right....Cologne is up. There were two Lorraine's....the one I am talking is the one that is to this day having the name Lorraine. The capital should be Metz....will change that. :wink:

sorry, but are you joking? Franconia is about 200 km's east of Flandre and over 100 east of Luxembourg!! look http://www.euratlas.com/big/big1100.htm
there is original german duchy of Franconia. North part became Hessen, area on noerth-west border became Nassau

No I am not joking. Due to the very bad map Luxembourg is bordering with Franconia. There should be Lower Lorraine between them....but hey thats not my fault.
And Hesse and Nassau are almost the same thing and it would really wrong to try to put them both up there.

yes it was, but not just on the Austrian border, mate. Did you mean this map (http://www.euratlas.com/big/big1300.htm) ? there is Slavonia almost exactly SOUTh of Austria with a gap of about 150 km's between... but it's your choice

Indeed. It's not my fault the map is really messed up. I'd never make it this way, but as it is now that is Slavonia and cannot be any other province.

do you know this proverb?: when the mountain does not move to Mohamed, Mohamed must move to the mountain...
that's it. Layout of Hungarian provinces is absolutely bad. But what you do?
one province you call Pressburg. Pressburg(Bratislava) lies in western Slovakia, and Nitra lies not further than 50 km's east of it, they're both in western Slovakia and on the map, there is whole one very large provincebetween them! Carpathia can be interpreted as transcarpathian Ukraine (centre Uzhorod) and Kosice(Kassa) is the closest medieval city, while Nitra is on the right opositepart of Slovakia. It's foolish to put Nitra there

Pressburg will, and already is, be renamed to Transdanubia. Nitra....well Carpatia is just a stupid name....but you are right and I knew that, still as I said Carpatia is a very stupid name. I checked some maps and I found out that Hungarians called it with even more stupid name - Maramos....so I'll probably just get back to Carpathia. :lol:

honestly, I prefere new name from some made up....

The city of Oslo was named Christiania. Akershus was the name for that province....I just found out looking on the net...so they got it right and so did I by copying them. :biggrin:

mate you've messed it up all. Lebanon is a territory. Tyre is a city as well as Beirut. I suspected you know such thingsbefore you change map of Europe and Middle east

Ah....then I'll revert Tyre and Lebanon :lol:

there is a quest in KoH called Unite_Spain available for Castile, Aragon, Navarre and Leon, the result state is Spain.

Yes but Spain and Spanish Marches which the region in 1000AD period is representing(I belive) are not the same thing...not even close. Spanish Marches was a buffer zone Franks made and this was the early begining of the Catalonia province.

well, to compare Grand master or king, king is better IMO. Grandmaster needs some organisation, some Order, not a confederation of mostly rural cantons
or use simply Master or Lord.. there was no official title for their leader because they had no unique and only leader...as far as I know

Well how were their leaderS called then? :biggrin:

Btw. I finished the mod and corrected spelling mistakes. Now of course when I correct these mistakes it will be over.....of course this Spanish event creates new troubles so I'll have to figure out how to solve that.....man they really messed it up.... :bash:

[Elvain]

Spain?
there is no poblem with it. Leave the original name: Spain (also for the early KoH period) and give it a title March (that's what I did)
and after U unite Spain with Castilia or Aragon, you will be called simply kingdom of Spain :go:

Swiss "highlanders" had no official leaders :wink: