Holy Rome - Elvain's mod

[Elvain]

Hello

I've just finnished testing of my mod, so here it is...

It includes 3 main parts:
1) renaming of provinces, towns and kings
2) new kingdoms, quests and completely new nationality for knights (Carinthian)
3) some def changes

1a) province names changed:
Lisbon->Porto, Tago->Lisbon, Orleans->Ille de France, Franconia->Nassau, Hesse->Franconia, Nassau->Hesse, Bavaria->Swabia, Salzburg->Bavaria, Istria->Croatia, Buda->Alföld, Olonets->Vologda, Ufa->Samara, Volgograd->Sarai, Antalya->Lycia, Sinope->Paflagonia, Rum->Cappadocia, Cappadocia->Rum, Cairo->Egypt, El Alamein->Libya, Benghazi->Barka

1b) town names changed:
Leon->Santiago de Compostela, Lisboa->Porto, Tago->Lisboa, Salzburg->Augsburg, Kassel->Bamberg (and others in Franconia/Nassau/Hesse I don't remember), Raska->Belgrade, Zeta->Kotor, Olonets->Vologda, Ufa->Samara, Volgograd->Sarai, Kurdistan->Vaspurakan, Rum->Malatya, Malatya->Ikonion, Antalya->Attaleia, Lebanon->Beirut, El Alamein->Siva, Cyrenaica->Cyrene


2)New quests and kingdoms
2a) new quests:
unite_Rome - for Byzantia, France and Holy Roman Empire - you will be veryclose to the goal of many medieval monarchs, to restore Roman empire as universal christian empire
unite_Holy Roman Empire - for german states(in early and late periods) +Bohemia (in all periods, must destroy HRE first)
unite_HRE - for some Italian states

2b) new kingdoms in early period: Prussia (pagan), Carinthia, Normandy is now vassal of France, Lotharingia is vassal of Germany, Lotharingia got Flandres and Friesland

2c) new or deleted kingdoms in high period:
deleted: Italy, Naples, Fatimids, Baghdad, Germany
renamed: Ukraine->Kiev
new: Flandres(vassal of France), Tolouse(vassal of France), Holy Roman Empire(instead of Germany and most of Italy) league of Lombardy(at was with HRE), Ayyubids(Saladin's empire instead of Fatimids and Baghdad), Prussia(pagan duchy, at war with Teutonic order), Suzdal
teritorial changes in Muscovy(->smaller), Kiev, Sicily (got Naples and Sardiny), Jerusalem(got Lebanon)
Pommerania is now vassal of Denmark(instead of Germany)

2d)new and deleted kingdoms in the late period:
Leinster+Munster->Ireland, Ulster deleted(to England), Gelre renamed->Holland, Karaman deleted(Kilikia goes to Armenia)
new kingdoms: Flandre(vassal of Burgundy), Bavaria, Carinthia(vassal of Austria)

2e) I also changed a little nationalities of knights and religion in provinces - there is completely new nationality - carinthian(western Slavic)
Greek provinces(Thrace, Solun, Hellas, Cyprus and Antioch) under rule of catholic kingdoms are moved to be orthodox instead of catholic, what makes game harder for Latins, Slun, Athens, Antioch and Cyprus, the same with baltic provinces of Teutonic order in the high period and some other small changes

3) def changes:
I will give 2choices-
a) for those who like Angryminers mod there will be only small def-pack including quest editions (unite_italy and unite_england) + Angryminer's file econst.in2 with my only one change: when granting independence to a vassal, player's kingdom power rises (+1)
b) for those who would like to try my complete def changes, there will be some changes in education costs, knight costs and hiring, higher piety and books limit, possibility to accept different religion (pagans could miss it), spies getting some experience also from infiltrating and some other detail changes, mostly based on changed Angryminers mod

there is also planed extension (4) which will include (hopefully) new units like Hospitaliers, Assasins and Baltic cavalry (but they will look like some other units-Crusader infantry, Desert archers and Hobilars). But I got this idea just yesterday night, it will take some time if it will even work...

IMPORTANT!!
new quests and kingdoms need some new directories to be created!
in Black Sea Studios\Knights of Honor create folders: defs\Quests and maps\europe
in the folder maps\europe you have to create next 2 folders:
knights and kings
then copy here all files from directory HolyRome\new following directories you see there

without this you won't be able to use my new quests, new kingdoms will not have their kings and the game won't even be playable, because there is one completely new nationality of knights that needs to be red from this directory

I hope you'll have fun with those my changes :bday:

Elvain


IMPORTANT!!
Once again I repeat, this mod works fine only with patch 1.03 working. All my work is based on the patched game so I give no guarantees to those who don't use the patch 1.03. The mod may work properly, but it might cause bugs. Also this mod is for those who were not satisfied by patched KoH. I recomand to try official upgrades before any inofficial

PS: here is a link (http://forum.sunflowers.de/showpost.php?p=91268&postcount=40) to the latest version of my mod

[Picotrain]

I'll surely play your mod, but I'm into a troublesome and interesting KoH game right now. After I've played out KoH as it stands, I'll try playing Elvain-style ;-)

[Angryminer]

Great Elvain!
I came back from vacation yesterday and I will test your mod soon. :go:
Thanks for the GoG-package! :wink:

Angryminer

[Master]

It will work with any version of KoH?

[Angryminer]

I tried your mod Elvain and it works nicely :go: .
But the installation was a hassle, I had to look up the location of each file in the original paks to place them correctly. Your installation instructions weren't particularly helpful because I wanted to keep the original file locations (as a modder that is important to keep the overview, as you can imagin yourself :wink: ).
As far as I see the AI handles the HRE quite nice. Big friendship with Papacy, constant problems with France and a lot of neutrality towards the east (me being Hungary). But I guess I have to make my war-exhaustion-settings more AI friendly, as the HRE is falling into inner problems at the moment. Realistic, but not very good for the game... :wink:

@Master:
Supposedly it does. But you should use KoH v1.03. There is no reason not to apply the 1.03-patch anyway.

Angryminer

[Elvain]

@Master - it should definitely work with KoH patch, don't know how about pre-patch version. And it was also tested with Angryminers GoG :go:

@Angryminer:
sorry, I usually do it by replacing corresponding files from specified directory while all files from certain .pak are selected.
I found it better for this type of replacing. But first next extension will be done in the way you do :go:

[Master]

Question:
I-ve created dirs in Black Sea Studios\Knights of Honor -> defs\Quests and maps\europe
and copied there the content of the folder "new" in your Mod.

So, where must I copy 3 left folders from file "complete_HolyRome.zip" -> defs, europe, text

[Xuca]

@Elvain:
Уou made a mistake,Belgrade isn't is Raška and the town name should be Ras.

[Master]

Plz, can anybody answer my question???

[Elvain]

sorry, master, I didnť have time...

create those folders:
Black sea studios\knights of honor\maps\europe\kings
Black sea studios\knights of honor\maps\europe\knights
Black sea studios\knights of honor\defs\Quests\

and copy there following files:
to: Black sea studios\knights of honor\maps\europe\kings:
all the files .txt (Bavarya;1200.txt, Holy Roman Empire;1000.txt, Lombardy;1000.txt etc)

to Black sea studios\knights of honor\maps\europe\knights
carinthian.in2

to Black sea studios\knights of honor\defs\Quests\
unite_HRE.ini (or in2, I´m not sure right now)
units_HolyRomanEmpire
unite_rome

+ what to do with files in directories defs, europe and texts?
use KoH pakman, open each .pak there(so defs.pak, europe.pak and texts.pak)
then select all files, rightclick (mouse) and follow:
replace content of selected files - by corresponding files from specified directory - as specified directory open one of those 3 folders from HolyRome complete edition

right now I can´t use internet at home, only at work, soI can´t attach another version with exact directories for all files... I will do it as soon as it will be ok...

@Xuca honestly I´m not sure about capital of Raška back in those times, but I surely know that Belgrade exists since roman times. Maybe Belgrade(Beograd) wasn´t the capital of Raška, but KoH realm of Raska represents at least 2 regions: Mačva and Raška and the most important city in this region, as I see it from perspective of whole history, not only some short period of 50-100 years, is Belgrade. (this is also for Santiago de Compostela. I know that capital of Leon was and prbably is Leon, but KoH realm of Leon consists of real provinces of Leon, Galicia and Asturia and from in this region (Leon+Galicia+Asturia), Santiago de Compostela was without any doubt the most important city)
this is only a game, I don´t want to do my changes only for history nerds, but for everybody whowants the game a bit closer to reality of medieval Europe. Sometimes compromises are necessary (if not - if following exactly history in Germany there should be about 100 realms, the same with France, and of course each of 3 periods of KoH swould need different map with different provinces)

[Xuca]

l think you are right :embarras: and town of Ras,capital of Raška, doesnt exist enymore,but Belgrade does.

PS: Belgrade isn't in Mačva either,it is in Šumadija

[Elvain]

could you please send me some map of serbian regions then? It seems I have mess in it :silly:

[Xuca]

l have only a small map in cyrilic,and you cant really see anything on it exept borders of Serbia,so l dont think you could use it. But l can tell you that Raška in KoH represents following Serbian regions:Raška, Mačva, Šumadija (l am not sure how it was called in medival times), western Serbia and eastern Serbia. Those regions are very small and there is no point separating them.

[dreych]

yo!
elvain.mod is tha bomb!
its great to have carinthia, and real wetern slavic-slovenian names, and it works just fine.
tnx.greetz

[Master]

@Elvain
b) for those who would like to try my complete def changes, there will be some changes in education costs, knight costs and hiring, higher piety and books limit, possibility to accept different religion (pagans could miss it), spies getting some experience also from infiltrating and some other detail changes, mostly based on changed Angryminers mod

I was "surprised" to see that when I've hired the 4th marshal his wages increased to 8000:)
It is done by your mod?

[Finellach]

Feedback:

Rename Panonia to Slavonia. Also capital of Croatia province capital should be Senj, capital of Panonia-Slavonia should be Zagreb/Agram. Also capital of Bosia should be renamed into Vrhbosna(early name of Sarajevo) or Jajce.

[Finellach]

Btw. is there any way to edit kingdom descriptions on the start? I find the one for Croatia totally wrong and lame. First of all it is well known that Croats are Slavic nation(after all we speak Slavic language), second "submitted" is a rather strong word for personal union with Hungary, third it was not Hungary who called Habsburgs "to assume control over Croatia" but it was both Croatia and Hungary both electing Habsburgs as their kings - SEPARATLY, and in the end I see no need to mention Habsburgs anywa since this was long after the game ending(1527. A.D.).

I think something like this would go along better:
Beginnings of the modern Croatian state are in the 7th century when Croats came down from the North by invitation of Byznatine Emperor Heraclius to fight of the Avars. They soon accepted Christianity and became one of the fist Slavs to do so. By 925 A.D. Croats founded their kingdom recognized by the Pope himself and Croatia become a powerful and rich kingdom. In 1102 Croatia entered a personl union with Hungary, 'Pacta Conventa' - 'the terms agreed on', which lasted for almost a thousand years.

[Tzar Kalojan]

Btw. is there any way to edit kingdom descriptions on the start? I find the one for Croatia totally wrong and lame. First of all it is well known that Croats are Slavic nation(after all we speak Slavic language), second "submitted" is a rather strong word for personal union with Hungary, third it was not Hungary who called Habsburgs "to assume control over Croatia" but it was both Croatia and Hungary both electing Habsburgs as their kings - SEPARATLY, and in the end I see no need to mention Habsburgs anywa since this was long after the game ending(1527. A.D.).

I think something like this would go along better:
Beginnings of the modern Croatian state are in the 7th century when Croats came down from the North by invitation of Byznatine Emperor Heraclius to fight of the Avars. They soon accepted Christianity and became one of the fist Slavs to do so. By 925 A.D. Croats founded their kingdom recognized by the Pope himself and Croatia become a powerful and rich kingdom. In 1102 Croatia entered a personl union with Hungary, 'Pacta Conventa' - 'the terms agreed on', which lasted for almost a thousand years.

Dude, Every nation has had it's ups and downs, you're making Croatia seem like they were the biggest and most important nation in Europe through history...

Anyway, I'll try your mod once I finish the game I'm playing but I have a suggestion for ya, if you have the time for it anyway. How about trying to do a map of Europe during another time period? Before or after the ones in the game. I think that'd be pretty neat.

[Finellach]

Dude, Every nation has had it's ups and downs, you're making Croatia seem like they were the biggest and most important nation in Europe through history...

I am not doing anything of the sort. The irst descritpion was lame, this one is 100% true and correct and much better.


Anyway, I'll try your mod once I finish the game I'm playing but I have a suggestion for ya, if you have the time for it anyway. How about trying to do a map of Europe during another time period? Before or after the ones in the game. I think that'd be pretty neat.

I doubt you'll play my mod since I probably won't make it public. Second of all tampering with the map is not posibble.

[razerback]

lol i never wanted to register cuz im lazy and stuff, but now I had to do it! :D
finellach or what... wtf is croatia anyways? its a tiny *** ****. your little history lessons are getting boring, i doubt that anyone cares about croatia and its history [what history? :D] except you and some croatian weirdos. Seriously i agree with tzar, you are talking too much about an unimportant country. I asked a few ppl and most of them thought that your country is in Asia. :D