whats the best soultion

[Rnett]

That's ok, I like it this way :peace: :peace: :peace:

[Teutonic_Knight]

Because of the way human nature is then peace can never be "fully" achieved. Peace in most cases can only come after the military destruction of ones ability to wage war. In the case of Religion only though education is peace achieved but then usually only after the ability to wage war on a large scale has been destroyed.

[Bora]

i miss a 3rd option,... mixture between war and peace

[Jarlabanke]

Anarchy?

[Weber0003]

Yes im from the USA, but some people need to learn more about why we went over there. Ill say yes it was a bad thing that bush went over there because saddam tried to kill his dad but that was a small fraction of a reason. Saddam had to be stopped. I mean he gassed his own people and killed thoughsands. Its not like we went there and killed a bunch of there people, left there country in ruins, and left. We are trying to help them out. I have 5 friends over there fighting and i hate war. But they are doing a good job and trying to bring peace to that country. And with the oil, we do not need the oil. Iraq the country gets all the profit from it to make money to rebuild the country. Another reason we went over there is because of North Korea. They also have weapons that they are not suppose to have. Kind of a intimidation type of thing. You get me. But yes we are still over there and still dieing for iraqs freedom. War is never a good thing, but in this case with such an evil man like saddam, its something that was goin to happen sooner or later.

[greywulf]

I don't know if I should be responding due to what happened in the other thread, but since it's a free world and I like to hear other people's thoughts, I'll give my own. If you don't like it Frank delete my post...

Originally posted by Weber0003
Saddam had to be stopped. I mean he gassed his own people and killed thoughsands.
Need I list the leaders of African nations that have killed tens of thousands, hundreds of thousands, and millions of their own people without being stopped by Americans (or any other western countries)? What do you believe the US administration sees as different between Iraqis and Africans? Are African lives less valuable? The last few decades, the US has had many opportunities to dispose of African dictators even more brutal then Saddam. Instead, they did nothing or even interferred when African leaders actually started doing some good (Patrice Lumumba's assassination by CIA/Belgium).
Originally posted by Weber0003
Its not like we went there and killed a bunch of there people, left there country in ruins, and left.
That's very true so far in Iraq. The state of Afghanistan 3 years after its invasion, however, fits that definition a bit too well...
Originally posted by Weber0003
Another reason we went over there is because of North Korea. They also have weapons that they are not suppose to have. Kind of a intimidation type of thing.

I don't understand the logic here. I've never understood how any nation, especially the US, can say North Korea isn't suppose to have a certain type of weapon. I understand the US nuclear arsenal is used as a deterent, to keep other countries from using their own nuclear weapons. However, the reason why a North Korean nuclear capability is so intimidating is because they would most likely be willing to use them unilaterally, ie. they'll do whatever they want with it no matter what others say. Recent unilateral actions by the US follow this trend and that too is quite intimidating...

If the rest of you want me to shut up about this just say so :)

[Weber0003]

well its just nice to know other people are educated and actually know something about this subject Its nice to hear from other people. i just thought i would put some input just like you did.
well The us actually did go to africa and help out as much as we could. In the movie Black hawk down it shows it and If you ever played the game, it is very cool. I loved it. LOVED THE INPUT. Thanx! :cheers:

[Weber0003]

oh yeah, i wasnt to sure what u were sayin about afghanistan but im pretty possitive we still have troops over there after the 3 years. But thats what i read in the news papers here. Who knows if there really telling the truth? Dam* media.

[greywulf]

The incident in Black Hawk Down was one of the rare moments in African history when the west really got involved. It pulled out pretty quickly though after a few bumps and scrapes (including canada).

And yes, there are American troops in Afghanistan, but hardly enough to bring any stability to the country, nor does the country receive enough American/NATO/World aid to be able to pay the bills. It's good that you read something in the newspaper about troops in Afghanistan though, the trend seems to be for the media to not discuss anything about that country.

This was a sad/funny story last year.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/2759789.stm

[Haegemon]

You started again. You really like politics. :)

What kind of question peace or war....

War is in human nature by his stupidity. It's only usefull to reduce the population.

We chat about war but most never lived one. Indeed.
I'm talking about a war between equal powers, no to fight far of your contry but fight in your homeland... The need to search for food or water, sometimes eating rotten food and drinking dirty water; soldiers going into your home, if you still got one, in the middle of night taken all they want, or detain you acussed of something, you are lucky if they don't kill you or kill somebody of your family or kill you all. May some troopers decide rape your mother, sister, spouse or daughter.
Today a few bombings can kill all your neighbourhood, you included, or at least reduce your 'sweet home' to pieces and force you to be a refugee. No clean clothes during unknown time, of course any WC and no bathroom to take a bath. Walking around the crippled corpses of death people and rats, and the smell of putrid and charred meat.
You can wait to be a prisoner of war, but you have to survive the front line and the armored units that can kill you twice, maybe their 75-120mm main cannon, their 35mm machinegun, or maybe they smash your bones with their chain-wheel.
And what about crime, in war time thieves and other sort of people can 'work' freely dangerous like never.

This is war and worse. Then comes the penurious post-war.

[the knightly sword]

for god sake who think war is good ?????


war doesnt make peace !!!!!!!!! ween 2 countrys sign peace do you really think its is real peace . in every heart you will find hate, murdurious, thoughts. after war the country hates each other .peace contracts is only pappers with letters on .that doesnt count its what you have in mind and heart that counts .







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[the knightly sword]

i know the things ywhat you mean but think you put 2 people
in a room and they hate each other so much they . dont you think they will cut each other in pieces if each 1 get a knifes.the peace contract only is papper that cant change what people have in mind . and you cant put football as example im talkíng about war not sports.

[the knightly sword]

Originally posted by Elewyn
you were talking about hate. I did it too.

When they were able to sign peace treaty (that mean find conclusion) they won't kill each other.

I know, when Palestinians and Israelis sign peace treaty, I don't believe it's real peace, because there is still many people on both sides who disagree with any peace with the other side. Sometimes people need to see real death to realize they don't hate each other too much, Ofcourse when it's not enough, no peace treaty is able to change it.

War means: if you hate him and he's our enemy, you can kill him.
Peace means: if you hate him enough to kill him, you can't do it legaly. And if you do it, you'll be punnished. Oficially, not in every case, ofcourse.

Do you, personally, hate anybody enough to kill him? I don't. But sometimes I feel I can't find any way together with him. Then I'll be really satisfied if I beat him in any case-discussion, tennis, football. But I prefere peace, what means:
find some conclusion together which we'll both agree with a little at least.




no i dont hate somebody so much i could kill him that was just an example.