[en] Regions of medieval Europe

[Angryminer]

Great work! :go:

Vain

[Traveller]

Looks nice! Can't wait to see it more to the east... :wink:

[Mircoslavux]

very nice map Elvain,
I want to ask, whether the color shadowing (e.g. light green group of provinces dark green group of provinces, has any reason???
I guess yes:confused:

[Elvain]

it has, but at the moment it is just basic division into kingdoms like Bohemia, Hungary, HRE, Castilia.. it has no firm logic at this moment, just to show regions of those kingdoms. Bohemia has regions of Moravia, Kladsko, Chebsko/Eger and Bohemia, Hungary is divided into Upper Hungary, Zemplin, Carpathian Ruthenia, Transylvania, Banat, Comania or Temesvár, Alföld, Pécs and Esztergom.

but at this stage on this map it's rather illustrative
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btw, right now I'm working on Balkans and Russia.. I hope I'll have it done till today evening...

but I don't expect Balkans to be definite, I hope there will be some notes to it :wink:
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http://img527.imageshack.us/img527/1654/zapebig517cp.th.jpg (http://img527.imageshack.us/my.php?image=zapebig517cp.jpg)
names of regions in the Balkans

Dark Blue are regions of Bosnia:
Bosna (Jajce, Srebrenica, Bosna)

Variations of Red are serbian regions:
Mačva (Mačva)
Belgrade (Belgrade, Braničevo)
Raška (Raška, Lepanica, Levče, Niš, Rasina, Hvosno)
Zeta (Pilot, Duklja, Kotor) + there will also be Skadar
Hum and Trebinje (Trebinje, Hum)

Blue is Epir (will be further divided)

Variations of Purple and Pink are Byzantine regions:
Hellas (Athens, Euboea, Achaia+Morea) - border between achaia and Morea is not drawn yet
Thesaly
Macedonia-Thesaloniki (Devol, Berrhoia, Thesaloniki, Chalkidiki, Strumnica)
Macedonia (Ohrid, Prilep, Skopje)
Strymon (Strymon)
Thrace (Thrace, Adrianople, Constantinople)

Variations of Green is Bulgaria:
Dobrudzha
Bulgaria (Borui, Preslav, Krun, Turnovo, Sredec)
Bdin (Bdin)

[Xuca]

Any pic? Try with Zahumlje, which is near the shore, and Hum is behind it. Zahumlje litterary means "behind Hum".
And add Soli to Bosna, should be around north-east.
Belgrade should be more Hungary, and Nis Bulgaria.
And if you would post your map, I could give you more tips.

[Elvain]

Any pic? Try with Zahumlje, which is near the shore, and Hum is behind it. Zahumlje litterary means "behind Hum".
And add Soli to Bosna, should be around north-east.
Belgrade should be more Hungary, and Nis Bulgaria.
And if you would post your map, I could give you more tips.
eh? there is a pic. Or you can't see the thumbnail? click at it and it should get enlarged...

So Zahumlje is the where Dubrovnik lies, am I right? I made this part of Dalmatia.

So Soli should be somewhere in banovina of Srebrenica?
thumbnail of detail of the Balkan peninsula:
http://img497.imageshack.us/img497/3151/balkan9gc.th.jpg (http://img497.imageshack.us/my.php?image=balkan9gc.jpg)
link (http://img497.imageshack.us/my.php?image=balkan9gc.jpg)
yet withut description or at least numbers, but I will probably make this when the map is finnished (or at least european part as I will now wait for atlas of the medieval islamic world...

[Xuca]

Zahumlje is between Dubrovnik and the river of Neretva. North border is Vododelnice, it's a line between Jadran and Black Sea rivers (don't know how's it's called in English).
Soli should be where you put Srebrenica, and the southern part of Bosna should be maybe split in two halfs, so that it could be shared by Serbia and Croatia.
Also your Croatia looks more like the modern one, rather than medieval one, but better find some Croats for that.

[Elvain]

croatia is based on division of Hungary from 14th century. I agree that it doesn't look as I expected...

and thanks fro the info about Zahumlje. On the maps I have it mostly covers area of Dubrovnik republic and Hum, but I will separate it from Hum. Thanks

You meant to replace Srebrenica by Soli? Srebrenica was hungarian "banovina" in 14th century, I haven't found nothing about older division of Bosnia.

Also I don't want to completely make up the division of Bosnia on 2 parts (anyway I think it shuold be separate region)

[Xuca]

Soli is older name, by the city of Salines. Names change through history, maybe put a comment, until XIV century Soli, after Srebrenica (or the name could be changed earlier). Same with Zeta-Duklja.

[Elvain]

http://img210.imageshack.us/img210/6606/britain13kz.th.jpg (http://img210.imageshack.us/my.php?image=britain13kz.jpg)
link to the map (http://img210.imageshack.us/my.php?image=britain13kz.jpg)
Ireland
regions: Ulster, Leinster, Munster and Connaught
Ulster (no sub-regions, just counties)
Tirconnell, Tyrone, Ulster, Uriel
Leinster (sub-regions: Meath, Leinster):
Meath (Louth, Drogheda, Kilmore, Trim, Meath)
Leinster (Kildare, Dublin, Dublin-Bray, Kildare-Arklow, Wexford, Carlow, Kilkenny)
Munster (no sub-regions, just counties):
(Waterford, Tipperary, Cork, Kerry, Limerick, Thomond, Kilfenora)
Connaught (no sub-regions, just counties):
(Connaught, Roscommon, Breffny)

Scotland
regions: The Isles, Highlands and Lowland
The Isles:
Orkney (Orkney, Caithness, Sutherland)
Hebrides (Lewis, Skye, Uist)
Dalriada (Mull, Jura, Islay)
Man (Man)
Highlands:
Argyll (Morvern, Argyll, Arran)
Highlands (Ross, Moray, Nairn, Elgin)
Aberdeen (Banf, Aberdeen, Kincardine, Angus)
Alba (Perth, Stirling, Fife)
Lowland:
Lothian (Lothian, Berwick mark, Roxburgh, Selkirk and Peebles)
Strathclyde (Dumfries, Galloway, Lanark, Ayr and Dumbarton)

England:
Cornwall (no sub-regions):
1 Cornwall
2 Devon
Wessex (no sub-regions):
1 Somerset
2 Dorset
3 Hampshire
4 Wiltshire
5 Gloucester
6 Oxford
7 Buckingham
8 Berkshire
Sussex (no sub-regions):
1 Surrey
2 Sussex
Kent (no sub-regions):
1 Kent
Essex (no sub-regions):
1 London
2 Hertford
3 Essex
East Anglia (no sub-regions):
1 Suffolk
2 Norfolk
3 Cambridge
Mercia (sub-regions: East Mercia, West Mercia)
1 East Mercia - Lincoln
2 East Mercia - Huntingdon
3 East Mercia - Bedford
4 East Mercia - Northampton
5 East Mercia - Leicester
6 East Mercia - Notingham
1 West Mercia - Derby
2 West Mercia - Stafford
3 West Mercia - Warwick
4 West Mercia - Worcester
5 West Mercia - Hereford
6 West Mercia - Shorpshire
7 West Mercia - Cheshire
Northumberland (sub-regions: York, Northumberland, Berwick)
1 York Lancashire
2 York Yorkshire
1 Northumberland - Durham
2 Northumberland - Westmorland
3 Northumberland - Cumberland
4 Northumberland - Northumberland
1 Berwick - Berwick
Wales
Dyfed (sub-regions: Dyfed, Seisyllwg, Rwng Gwy a Hafren, Brycheinoig, Morgannwng, Gwent)
1 Dyfed - Pembroke
2 Seisyllwg - Cardigan
3 Seisyllwg - Carmarthen
4 Rwng Gwy a Hafren - Mortimer
5 Brycheiniog - Bohun
6 Morgannwg - Glamorgan
7 Gwent - Gwent
Gwynedd (sub-regions: Gwynedd, Powys)
1 Powys - Flint
2 Powys - Powys
3 Gwynedd - Merioneth
4 Gwynedd - Lincoln
5 Gwynedd - Caernarvon
6 Gwynedd - Angelsey

http://img210.imageshack.us/img210/6606/britain13kz.th.jpg (http://img210.imageshack.us/my.php?image=britain13kz.jpg)
total of 18 regions, 31 sub-regions and 102 "counties"
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east-Central Europe east-Central Europe map (http://img161.imageshack.us/my.php?image=central11nk.jpg)
http://img161.imageshack.us/img161/3148/central11nk.th.jpg (http://img161.imageshack.us/my.php?image=central11nk.jpg)
Bohemia:
Bohemia (sub-regions: Bohemia, Zittau, Kladsko)
1 Bohemia Praha Praha
2 Bohemia Kouřimsko Kouřim
3 Bohemia Vltavsko Týn
4 Bohemia Berounsko Beroun
5 Bohemia Slánsko Slaný
6 Bohemia Rakovnicko Rakovník
7 Bohemia Loketsko Loket
8 Bohemia Plzeňsko Plzeň
9 Bohemia Písecko Písek
10 Bohemia Bechyňsko Bechyně
11 Bohemia Čáslavsko Čáslav
12 Bohemia Chrudimsko Chrudim
13 Bohemia Hradecko Hradec
14 Bohemia Boleslavsko Mladá Boleslav
15 Bohemia Litoměřicko Litoměřice
16 Bohemia Žatecko Žatec
17 Zittau Žitavsko Zittau
18 Kladsko Kladsko Kladsko county
Moravia (sub-regions: Moravia, Opavia)
1 Moravia Olomoucko Olomouc
2 Moravia Brněnsko Brno
3 Moravia Znojemsko Znojmo
4 Moravia Jihlavsko Jihlava
5 Opavia Opavsko Opava duchy

Poland:
Silesia (sub-regions: Upper and Lower Silesia)
1 Lower Silesia Zagan
2 Lower Silesia Glogau
3 Lower Silesia
4 Lower Silesia
5 Lower Silesia
6 Lower Silesia
7 Lower Silesia Breslau
8 Lower Silesia Jauer
9 Lower Silesia Münsterberg
10 Lower Silesia Brieg
11 Lower Silesia Niese
12 Upper Silesia Oppole
13 Upper Silesia Bytom
14 Upper Silesia
15 Upper Silesia Racibórz
16 Upper Silesia Czieszyn
17 Upper Silesia Oswięcim
Polonia (sub-regions: Gniezdno, Kujawia)
1 Gniezdno Gniezdno
2 Kujawia Sieradz
3 Kujawia Kujawia
4 Kujawia Chelmno
Pomerelia
1 Pomerelia
Mazovia
1 Plock
2 Mazovia
3 Wizna
Little Poland (sub-regions: Cracovia, Sandomierz):
1 Little Poland Cracovia Krakow
2 Little Poland Sandomierz Sandomierz
Galicz
1 Galicz
Hungary:
Upper Hungary (sub-regions: Upper Hungary, Spiss, Zemplén)
1 Upper Hungary Presburg
2 Upper Hungary Nitra
3 Upper Hungary Trenčín
4 Upper Hungary Turčian
5 Upper Hungary Orava
6 Upper Hungary Liptov
7 Upper Hungary Zvolen
8 Upper Hungary Tekov
9 Upper Hungary Hont
10 Upper Hungary Nógrád
11 Upper Hungary Gömör
12 Spiss Spiš
13 Zemplén Šariš
14 Zemplén Abov
15 Zemplén Zemplén
16 Zemplén Ung
17 Zemplén Bereg
Panonia (sub-regions: Esztergom, Pécs)
1 Esztergom Esztergom
2 Esztergom Komárom
3 Esztergom Györ
4 Esztergom Moson
5 Esztergom Sopron
6 Esztergom Vas
7 Esztergom Veszprem
8 Esztergom Zela
9 Pécs Somogy
10 Pécs Tolna
11 Pécs Somogy
Alföld
1 Pest
2 Fejér
3 Bács
4 Csongrád
5 Szolnok
6 Herves
7 Borsod
Cumania
1 Szetmár
2 Szilágy
3 Bihar
4 Arad
5 Csanád
6 Békés
7 Hajdu
8 Szabolcs
Carpathian Ruthenia
1 Ugocsa
2 Mukachevo
Transylvania
1 Szolnok-Doboka
2 Beszterce
3 Maros-Torda
4 Csik
5 Udvarhely
6 Hármomszék
7 Brassau
8 Fogaras
9 Nagy-Küküllö
10 Sibiu
11 Hunyad
12 Alsó-Fehér
13 Kls-Küküllö
14 Torda-Aranyos
15 Klaussenburg
Banat
1 Torontál
2 Temesvár
3 Krassó
http://img161.imageshack.us/img161/3148/central11nk.th.jpg (http://img161.imageshack.us/my.php?image=central11nk.jpg)
total of 15 regions, 24 sub-regions and 114 "counties"

[Xuca]

btw. Elvain you must put Kosovo. Serbia without Kosovo isn't Serbia.

[Elvain]

I know. Kosovo is covered by Hvosno (it covers almost exactly the same area) and eastern part of Kosovo is part of Rasina

[Xuca]

Better name it Kosovo. I doubt people heard of Hvosno(I didn't).

[Elvain]

true, but on the maps I have there is only Hvosno.. since when Kosovo is called Kosovo?


http://img50.imageshack.us/img50/3923/hispania10az.th.jpg (http://img50.imageshack.us/my.php?image=hispania10az.jpg)
link to the map (http://img50.imageshack.us/my.php?image=hispania10az.jpg)
Spain
Catalonia (sub-regions: Rousillon, Catalonia, Lérida)
Rousillon - Rousillon
Catalonia - Pallars, Urgell, Cerdana, Besalú, Ampurias and Barcelona
Lérida - Lérida, Tortosa
Aragon (sub-regions: Aragón, Zaragoza)
Aragón - Aragón/Jaca, Sobrarbe, Ribagorza, Huesca
Zaragoza - Zaragoza, Teruel, Morella
Valencia (no sub-regions)
Apulente, Valencia, Denia
Murcia (no sub-regions)
Murcia
Granada (no sub-regions)
Almería, Granada, Malaga, Ronda
Andalucia (sub-regions: Jaén, Cordóba, Sevilla)
Jaén - Jaén
Cordóba - Cordóba, Lucena
Sevilla - Carmona, Morón, Arcos, Sevilla
Estremadura (no sub-regions)
Badajoz, Alcantara
Castilia La Mancha (no sub-regions)
Almadén, La Mancha, Cuenca, Molina, Toledo
Castilia (sub-regions: Castilia, Rioja, Vizcaya, Santander)
Castilia - Coria, Ávila, Valiadollid, Castilia
Rioja - Rioja
Vizcaya - Alava, Guipúzcoa, Vizcaya
Santander - Santander
León (sub-regions - Asturias, León, Galicia)
Asturias - Asturias
León - Salamanca, León
Galicia - Galicia

[Xuca]

I searched the internet, and it appears that Hvosno is present-day Metohija. So you should probably split Hvosno into eastern part(Kosovo) and western(Hvosno)

[Elvain]

great. Thanks :go: I just found Kosovo on the map I used as main source... It was hidden (it is written on a river). Capital is Priština.. or Lipljan. I know that actual is Priština...

Here are maps I used as sources(I don't know if you know them or not :scratch: I placed there only those regions I could somehow localize also in borders and that were on both maps...
http://img506.imageshack.us/img506/2579/nemanjastefanpsebia2008hq.th.jpg (http://img506.imageshack.us/my.php?image=nemanjastefanpsebia2008hq.jpg)
http://img506.imageshack.us/img506/9936/dusanovasrbija2008tt.th.jpg (http://img506.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dusanovasrbija2008tt.jpg)
first map (http://img506.imageshack.us/my.php?image=nemanjastefanpsebia2008hq.jpg)
second map (http://img506.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dusanovasrbija2008tt.jpg)

[Mircoslavux]

Hoi Elvain
Will you count the Cak's "empire" in? In the maps?
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secondly, the names of regions will be kept in original languages or english or latin..or?

[Xuca]

great. Thanks :go: I just found Kosovo on the map I used as main source... It was hidden (it is written on a river). Capital is Priština.. or Lipljan. I know that actual is Priština...

Here are maps I used as sources(I don't know if you know them or not :scratch: I placed there only those regions I could somehow localize also in borders and that were on both maps...
http://img506.imageshack.us/img506/2579/nemanjastefanpsebia2008hq.th.jpg (http://img506.imageshack.us/my.php?image=nemanjastefanpsebia2008hq.jpg)
http://img506.imageshack.us/img506/9936/dusanovasrbija2008tt.th.jpg (http://img506.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dusanovasrbija2008tt.jpg)

Yup, Pristina, though Prizren was very important, too. And I can't see the maps in your post, Elvain.

[Elvain]

Mirco, probably I won's as it was not a historical region... thuogh if you have map of the territories he ruled, I could make them even sub provinces of those provinces..

I am not sure about how to call the regions. Mostly it is clear but there are some problematic areas where languages meet, like Silesia, modern-day Slovakia and Transylvania etc.

I would like to call them latin in catholic world, arabic in muslim world and greek/"slavic" in orthodox regions. But that may be problematic (as several regions don't have latin names)

at the moment I try to call the regions in language of majority in that region for most of the period (So for upper Silesia I use Polish names, for lower Silesia I use German names, etc.)

@Xuca, iT's strange, I put there thumbnails from imageshack. Do you use firefox of IE? that may be the problem as I use Firefox...

[Xuca]

I use Firefox, but I saw a strange tag you used while I quoted you - [qimg]. Maybe it's that.
And have you considered the capital of Hvosno?

EDIT:It won't show the tag properly! it should be qimg between the []