The people have spoken...

[Hector]

yes. looking forward to that event, personally. Yeah, Islam teaches he was a prophet of God but not the Son of God. More like Elijah. Funny thing is that Islam teaches Mohammud was taken up into heaven, but not Jesus. Almost saying Mohammud is where salvation is found.

Could you elaborate (explain further) the Islamic teaching of what path to heaven exists? From what I recall it is more of the "good deads" mannerism and living "like the prophet."


the islam says the Isa ( Jezus ) was raised into heaven with ALLAHS own hands something like that i remmember i have to go to school i will tell you more later

[Nike]

WOW! :eek: You've written so much for one day only? :O :scratch: Well, I guess that political and religious argues are a really fruitful subject... But didn't we agree they have no place in this forum?

PS. I just can't left unnoticed Calis example with the eagle. So, you think this eagle is the US? Muahahahaha... You're very funny! Is there an example of lion somewhere in the Quran or the Bible? Cuz we're (BG) represented as a lion! And Albania is a two-headed eagle... :D

[Anguille2]

and Bush is the undisputed winner with 51% of popular vote and over 270 of the electoral college vote. :cheers:


GG.

Any Euro reaction would be appreciated (if it is kept nice)

Most important thing is Bin Laden did not sway our people to vote in his favor. Never threaten America with violence... it's like throwing a rock at a bear... it only gets them angrier at you. :cheers:

I think that the American voters have been manipulated for more than 2 years and don't really know what they have done...i guess they will cry in 4 years, claim that they were naive and blind and vote for Hillary Clinton as president in order to clean the mess that 8 years of Republican regime will have left...the time has come for americans to be brave and strong cos they digged their own hole. :cheers: And i do love the USA, which is a fantastic country. I guess one problem is the mix of Faith AND Money...you never know what people who earn a lot of money with relegion really believe.

I am a faithull Christian but completly disagree with Bush's views. In the Bible it is said: "you shall not kill". So what is good for unborn children is not good for born muslims, very odd. As a Christian i am against abortion...however i have no right to forbid it to someone who has another belief but have the obligation to convince them not to.

PS: to the ones who think that the world is back and whiter and people divided between good and evil: you're wrong...the world is slightly different then that. ;)

[Anguille2]

This is something to think about! Since America is typically represented by an eagle. Saddam should have read
up on his Muslim passages...

The following verse is from the Koran, (the Islamic Bible)
Koran (9:11) - For it is written that a son of Arabia would awaken a fearsome Eagle. The wrath of the Eagle would be felt
throughout the lands of Allah and lo, while some of the people trembled in despair still more rejoiced; for the wrath of the
Eagle cleansed the lands of Allah; and there was peace.

(Note the verse number!) Hmmmmmmm?! God Bless!

Very interesting.

[Anguille2]

Kuno, as the law now stands, in order to run for President of the US one must be a US born Citizen(I think there are exceptions for US citizens living overseas serving in the military and such , I think their children are considered US born citizens).


Schwarzeneggar was born in Austria to Austrian parents I believe.
He is now a US citizen, having met the requirements to become a US citizen, but unless the Constitution is changed to allow for naturalized citizens to be eligible for the Presidency, he will never be able to run for that post.

I think there is a motion (?) underway to allow this.

[Elvain]

and Bush is the undisputed winner with 51% of popular vote and over 270 of the electoral college vote. :cheers:


GG.

Any Euro reaction would be appreciated (if it is kept nice)
can't be (kept nice :))

my hope has died :yawn: :) I'm gonna commit siuicide soon :lol:

but my humble congratulations to the lord of the earth and all of his voters :cheers:Kuno, as the law now stands, in order to run for President of the US one must be a US born Citizen(I think there are exceptions for US citizens living overseas serving in the military and such , I think their children are considered US born citizens).


Schwarzeneggar was born in Austria to Austrian parents I believe.
He is now a US citizen, having met the requirements to become a US citizen, but unless the Constitution is changed to allow for naturalized citizens to be eligible for the Presidency, he will never be able to run for that post.and can he be a muslim (a moslem in correct english, am I right?)

[Robbie47]

Could you elaborate (explain further) the Islamic teaching of what path to heaven exists? From what I recall it is more of the "good deads" mannerism and living "like the prophet."

Living like the prophet will not get you into heaven: he robbed the caravans travelling from Mecca and Medina to Damascus, kept the goods and took innoncent travellers as a hostage for ransom. And he took a nine-year old girl for his second (sic) wife! :nono:

[Ledhead]

Used to feel bad when thinking that Bush won. Then I realized it's only the Americans that has to live with him and all the bad things he does (and of course the countrys he attacks! :nono: ).
Now I guess I'm only pissed that the pompous and brainwashed people at Fox "News", who thinks that if you proclaim your channel to be "fair and balanced" enough times it becomes true, had their way...

[Cali Knight]

Anguille2 Bush isn't killing muslims, hes killing terrorists who might (and most do) believe in the muslim religion but invading only Iraq and Afaginstan is questionable. And as Robbie47 so well pointed out Islam isnt the most peaceful religion. Well thats what think but you never know Im be wrong. :)

[lurking horror]

Cali Knight: "Anguille2 Bush isn't killing muslims, hes killing terrorists"

The "enemy" in Iraq are not terrorists. Nor are the thousands of Iraqi civilians who have died due to the US action in Iraq.

Cali Knight: "And as Robbie47 so well pointed out Islam isnt the most peaceful religion."

So what? Christianity has an incredibly violent past. It's way up there in the list of violent religions.

[Kuno of Gersenau]

Kuno, as the law now stands, in order to run for President of the US one must be a US born Citizen(I think there are exceptions for US citizens living overseas serving in the military and such , I think their children are considered US born citizens).


Schwarzeneggar was born in Austria to Austrian parents I believe.
He is now a US citizen, having met the requirements to become a US citizen, but unless the Constitution is changed to allow for naturalized citizens to be eligible for the Presidency, he will never be able to run for that post.
I know this law, I only made a joke...;) But after Bush he is the most famous republican, that's why I said it...

[Alfard]

yes. looking forward to that event, personally.
We have been there before, before we where born and it's sad but there is simply nothing.


But HEY now the good news: Bush want a man on Mars, I love it.
I hope your americans want to pay for it, but it is far more better then the war in Iraq, it has almost nothing to do with terrorism, it's just feeds it.

[Sir Turylon]

Cali Knight: "Anguille2 Bush isn't killing muslims, hes killing terrorists"

The "enemy" in Iraq are not terrorists. Nor are the thousands of Iraqi civilians who have died due to the US action in Iraq.

Cali Knight: "And as Robbie47 so well pointed out Islam isnt the most peaceful religion."

So what? Christianity has an incredibly violent past. It's way up there in the list of violent religions.

Where are you getting your facts from? Are you saying that people who kidnap and behead innocents are not terrorists? Are you saying that a group, of people who are bent on the reinstitution of a tyrant who supported known terrorist organizations like Hamas and Hezbollah, is not a terrorist organization? Are you saying that a group, of people bent on total anarchy and deconstruction of a free society, is not a terrorist movement?

Do tell, what do you consider terrorism?

Christianity has a violent past. Why yes. Thousands upon thousands of Christians were persecuted and martyred because countries refused to allow them religious freedom. Please do not confuse Catholicism with all of Christianity.

It is a deception. This is especially true if you call yourself a devot Christian. Take a look at the deception that Urban used for going on the crusade. "Do not worry about any sins you might commit, as long as you commit them on a quest for God they will not matter." This is a direct deception which holds no merit in Scriptures. Christ never said "go and kill people and as long as you do it in my name it is okay." :nono:

Go look at soms facts. Athiesm, which is a religion, is the #1 violent religion in world history. Athiesm is a root part of Communism, Socialism, Nazism, eastern philosophies (there is no god, you can be your own god). Do not try to sit there and distort state run Christian based faiths such as Catholicism, Angletarian, and Luthern with the others.

Go do some reading about the spread of Christianity and the spread of Islam. Islam was spread by the sword until the conquests were stopped in the 14th-15th centuries. Give one example where a non-state based Christian faith used violence to spread its message.

We have been there before, before we where born and it's sad but there is simply nothing.

you remember where you were before you were born? is that what you are saying? sorry... that's :rofl: funny. Do you mean the past beliefs that the end was coming? like.. 14th century, 1900... etc? Those were misled ideas. There is a clear set "birth signs" of when the end times will begin... The first one was WW1... Second one was the reintroduction of the state of Israel... Next one is the attmepted invasion of Israel and the signing of peace between Israel and the surrounding nations. Do not be surprised, also, if millions of Christians around the world just disappear. right Cali? ;)

@Anguille2
What denomination are you? You almost sound like an Unitarian.

@Lurking
I was pointing you to the report portion "According to the National Right to Life Committee, since 1985 Kerry has voted pro-abortion a mind-numbing 100% of the time." as well as...
"By contrast, Kerry's rating from the National Abortion And Reproductive Rights League is always 100%."

If you claim to be morally opposed to abortion, yet politically for it... You are seriously lacking in moral integrity. How can somebody who says they have a strong faith put aside that faith for political correctness... They cannot.

"This includes at least three votes against a ban on partial-birth abortion." banning partial birth... where the baby is delivered and then murdered by the doctor.... that shows where he stands on the issue.


yeah... another "hot topic"

Since the game came out, seems the board was slowing down. :go:

Keep it cordial... or I will contact Nadine and or another moderator to delete your post.

[Stefan]

maybe some quotes will help you guys understand who jesus is...

For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counselor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace." Isaiah 9:6

"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. The same was in the beginning with God. All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made" (John 1:1-3).

"And the Word was made flesh and dwelt among us and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father, full of grace and truth." John 1:14

[Alfard]

you remember where you were before you were born? is that what you are saying? sorry... that's :rofl: funny.

No.
That's just the point I don't remember anything one year before I was born, It was not even absolutely black, simply just nothing.
So will it be when I die, but live (the genes) will go on.


Do not be surprised, also, if millions of Christians around the world just disappear.

Sorry but It will not happen while I live :O and after my live
But that's just my believe ;)

[Hector]

Living like the prophet will not get you into heaven: he robbed the caravans travelling from Mecca and Medina to Damascus, kept the goods and took innoncent travellers as a hostage for ransom. And he took a nine-year old girl for his second wife! :nono:



idiot!

go read more of your propaganda books

[lurking horror]

Sir Turylon: "If you claim to be morally opposed to abortion, yet politically for it... You are seriously lacking in moral integrity."

Judge not lest ye be judged, right? Who are you to simplify such a complex issue. Do you wish to see th widespread return of back alley abortion clinics? Do you have a realistic solution as to how you would avoid such a thing? If you do, yuou have answers that no one has been able to find.

Sir Turylon: "How can somebody who says they have a strong faith put aside that faith for political correctness... They cannot.

We're not talking about political correcteness and I'll thank you to stay on topic. We are talking about realisim and practicality.

Sir Turylon: "This includes at least three votes against a ban on partial-birth abortion." banning partial birth... where the baby is delivered and then murdered by the doctor.... that shows where he stands on the issue."

Yes. It shows that he favors allowing abortion if the delivery of the baby is deadly to the mother. Show me one single case of a partial birth abortion being used because the child is unwanted. That's not what partial birth abortion is about. Pointing to Kerry's support on this issue is irrelevant and proves nothing.

Sir Turylon: "Where are you getting your facts from? Are you saying that people who kidnap and behead innocents are not terrorists?"

Where are you getting your facts from? There are thousands and thousands of Iraqis' dead that the hands of Americans. How many of them were beheading innocents? Pay attention.

Sir Turylon: "Are you saying that a group, of people who are bent on the reinstitution of a tyrant who supported known terrorist organizations like Hamas and Hezbollah, is not a terrorist organization? Are you saying that a group, of people bent on total anarchy and deconstruction of a free society, is not a terrorist movement?"

How many of the the thousands and thousands of Iraqis dead were part of such an organization?

Sir Turylon: "Do tell, what do you consider terrorism?"

What the big army call the little army. Regardless of what your individual definition is, unless it is simply limited to a terrorist being defined as "someone from Iraq", then my intial point in this matter stands.

Sir Turylon: "Christianity has a violent past. Why yes. Thousands upon thousands of Christians were persecuted and martyred because countries refused to allow them religious freedom. Please do not confuse Catholicism with all of Christianity."

I'm not. I was clearly speaking on Christianity in general. Do not confuse when someone is speaking quite clearly about Christianity in general as opposed to Catholicism specifically.

Sir Turylon: "Go look at soms facts. Athiesm, which is a religion, is the #1 violent religion in world history. Athiesm is a root part of Communism, Socialism, Nazism, eastern philosophies (there is no god, you can be your own god). Do not try to sit there and distort state run Christian based faiths such as Catholicism, Angletarian, and Luthern with the others."

What are you talking about? Where did I do such a thing? My point was that labelling Islam as violent is irrelevant. Christianity has an incredibly violent past. NO religion should be singled out for it's violent past.

Sir Turylon: "Go do some reading about the spread of Christianity and the spread of Islam. Islam was spread by the sword until the conquests were stopped in the 14th-15th centuries. Give one example where a non-state based Christian faith used violence to spread its message."

Tell me what you would call the violent protests in front of abortion clinic? Many of these acts were done in the name of the christian god. They were incredibly violent and they existsted to punish those that brokes the christian rules. Not very holy, is it?

[William Blake]

I'd like to see examples of Athiesm to be "#1 violent religion in world history". Where, when and who killed anyone because people should NOT believe in god. I know then people kill others so they believe in some god, but lol.... who killed anyone so he wont believe in any god.

Now thats a total bull****, my friend.

Communism, Socialism were and are not about ANY faith, its about economic and social structure. They fought for it, not for to force some1 to "deny god and be athiest".

Nazism was not about any religion, but about one race ruling others. They killed not to force jews and others to convert into Atheism and abondom their faith, but to clear world from "bad races".

Eastern philosophies, hm... let me think. You mean like China, Japan, Korea? Remind me any moment then they kill anyone to force him abondon his faith.

And atheism by the way has NOTHING to do with communism, socialism or nazi and it CAN"T possibly take roots from it.

As for non-state christians who killed people... well. How about poor guys they called "nigers" and burn them ON THE DAMN CROSSES in south states just 100 years ago? Ah? Or maybe be Ku Clus Clan are not a christians? How about bombing Japan with nukes. Was US goverment and people MOSTLY chirstians to wipe out couple of cities with men, women and kids? Or maybe Dresden bombings were "ok" with Chirst? Did your god help Clinton to bomb Yugoslavia, because "in god we trust" or maybe you all abandon your faith for a war time? Because everyone is a "believer", but wars and deaths are keep coming all the time.

Muslims or chirstians - people live in a real world, there real countries fight for real interests and if you want to say that ANY of religions is bad in general beacause some1 killed some1, then you'd better count how many men was killed by those who had crosses on them.

[Nicolin de Odel]

Peace people, we don't want to be going to war with ourselves. :wacko: :cheers:

[lurking horror]

Sir Turylon:

So the Nazi's were atheists? Really? Are you sure?

http://www.nobeliefs.com/nazis.htm