City names vs. province names

[Finellach]

Originally posted by Ioan Asen II
And Saray is quit a different word: it means court, palace, seraglio. Also look here (http://www.websters-online-dictionary.org/definition/turkish-english/sa/saray.html)

And so now we know what Sarajevo would essentially mean. :)
But as I said Vrhbosna should be name of the main city since Sarajevo was given only later.

Btw. instead of posting few posts in a row you can edit your posts and add what you missed. ;)

[Elewyn]

Originally posted by Ioan Asen II
Just a few questions:
75 Vidin - May be the city should be Bdin?! And even the province too, ah?!?
74 Bulgaria - the name of the city Tarnovo or Turnovo?!?
And about
73 Wallachia - Is Bucharest really existed as town at that time? Just asking, 'cause i'm not sure... to be honest. I was lazy to research capital of Wallachia...

About Ta/urnovo, I just copied the name used by the devs-BSS-Bulgarians. If there are complaints, I can change it, no problem. I just thought Bulgarians know the best spelling. The same with Vidin. I don't think Frujin ando other BSS guys let ME advise THEM how regions of THEIR country should be named.

But just for my list, what is better spelling?:cheers:

[Frujin]

Moesia/Turnov
Bdin/Bdin
Dobrudzha/Karvuna

[Elewyn]

Thanks, Frujin. Update :) (http://forum.sunflowers.de/showthread.php?s=&postid=26867#post26867)

[4zzY]

Tzarevgrad Turnov
the real name sais everything
dut is unfortunately impossible to put it in a game like this
especially with the pesky modern pseudo-nationalism
50|\/|371|\/|3$ 7Ru+|-| $uxxx0r5
:sad:

[Nike]

Originally posted by 4zzY
Tzarevgrad Turnov
the real name sais everything
dut is unfortunately impossible to put it in a game like this
especially with the pesky modern pseudo-nationalism
50|\/|371|\/|3$ 7Ru+|-| $uxxx0r5
:sad:

4zzY, are you Bulgarian? You are beautiful - as most of the Bulgarian girls, you study in Germany - as a lot of the Bulgarian students and you know the name of Veliko Turnovo (although, I didn't knew it was called like that)! You have to be Bulgarian!

Turnovo can be spelled Tarnovo and Turnovo. The real letter on the second position doesn't have a latin form and some people use "a", some "u". So, both are right!

Frujin, I'm glad I saw a post of yours - I haven't seen you around lately! I hope you'll have more time for us!

[Finellach]

Elewyn why haven't you introduced the native names I gave you for Bosnia, Serbia, Croatia Macedonia? Also as I know you got native names for Baltic region yet I don't see you implemented it? :confused:

[Elewyn]

I didn't find it usefull because it seems that devs use English names for most of realms. When they use english names also for French, (what I have realized just after listing many original names) I doubt they will use less known Croatian, LLithuanian, Polonian or other eastern Euroean names for provinces.

In other hand I hope they will use original names of capitals if it's possible (see Antiocheia f.e.), but there is also Cairo etc.

but to make you happy (and also for objectivity where possible) I updated the list to have as many original(local) names as possible.

so, see updated list (http://forum.sunflowers.de/showthread.php?s=&postid=26867#post26867)

[Finellach]

I am quite aware that it's more than probably there won't be "native names" only english/german vesions. :(

You made a few mistakes though. Zeta's native name cannot definately be Rashka. It should Rashka or Srbija for Rashka/Serbia. ;)
Also the proper name for Macedonia is Makedonija.

And also more important....the capital for Zeta/Dioclea(Duklja) should be Kotor. ;)

[Elewyn]

Frank gave some other proofs about names of prvince cities, so it's in (http://forum.sunflowers.de/showthread.php?s=&postid=26867#post26867):) (Burgundy-Dijon, Arabia-Tebuk)

[Finellach]

Originally posted by Elewyn
Frank gave some other proofs about names of prvince cities, so it's in (http://forum.sunflowers.de/showthread.php?s=&postid=26867#post26867):) (Burgundy-Dijon, Arabia-Tebuk)

Really? Ehmm...what does this mean excatly? That there will be names for the cities or that the names will have their "natie" versions? :confused:

[Elewyn]

no.

Frank's post (http://forum.sunflowers.de/showthread.php?s=&postid=31261#post31261) only told what are names of castles in Burgudy and Arabia, so I marked them as known as sure by "*"

Nothing more. They should let us know, but they work hard on mysteric milestone... we should be more patient in getting info

[Henrik]

Originally posted by Elewyn
Nothing more. They should let us know, but they work hard on mysteric milestone... we should be more patient in getting info

I would be nice to know what they're messing around with instead of keeping us in the dark !

[Elewyn]

I see them here sometimes, I think it's not so hard to write short post:
provinces in english, cities in native or something like that. But their silence at least keep game-topic-threads live by speculations if nothing else.

[Henrik]

Originally posted by Elewyn
I see them here sometimes, I think it's not so hard to write short post:
provinces in english, cities in native or something like that. But their silence at least keep game-topic-threads live by speculations if nothing else.

It's always so nice to see you so positive Elewyn - i'll bet nothing could ruin your day :)

I must admit that they are kind enough to "intervene" when our discussion go in a totally wrong direction in terms of game features !

[Frank Fay]

it will be the English version for the English sku and German versions for the German sku etc.

[Elewyn]

thanks, Frank.

btw, what's that? I saw @kvzoltan posting something here twice in last week and still nothing. I am very curious what he wants to post. So some recomandation. Don't write too long post. Just short one and then edit it, if your comp doesn't allow you to stay connected for long time... or any other idea for our mate.
I think he has wrtiien god comments to this thread....

[Frank Fay]

where are his posts?

[Henrik]

Originally posted by Elewyn
there is one, long ago, with very good points.

But I asked that because I don't see here no other posts now although I saw him writing them and waited for them :(

I have searched for him and found that kvzoltan (http://forum.sunflowers.de/search.php?s=&action=showresults&searchid=8276) has made posts 4 - but i don't know which one you're referring to Elewyn ?

[kvzoltan]

"81 Vojvodina-Sirmium
82 Transylvania*-Klausenburg(Cluj/Kolozsvár)*
83 Upper Hungary-Kaschau(Kosice/Kassa)
84 Kalocsa
85 Alföld-Buda
86 Panonnia-Pécs"

Dear All, I was flattered your comments and saw myself politely requested to contribute to the thread. I can't resist ;)

I will not write how much I agree with your historical view, and value myself your efforts to make and help make a game that avoids Darth Vader appear as a medieval warlord - as in many stratigic games just whatever and everything can happen. I will, however, write my corrective remarks, not because I want to upset everybody, but there the improvement goes through.

So, please, check if Vojvodina is not best 'capitalized' by Nándorfehérvár where Hunyadi János, Governor of Hungary, father of Hunyady Mátyás (Rex Matthias), defeated the army that conquered three years earlier Constantinople. Nándorfehérvár was one of Hungary's larges fortress at those times, the south gate of Hungary. (Currently called some Belgrad or what... :-D Just joking, but the fact is true)

Transylvania: calling Kolozsvár 'Cluj' is worse than spit into the face of a Hungarian. The official language in Hungary were throughout those centuries the German and the Latin. The Hungarians spoke Hungarian, as well, and accepted many people who were conquered around A.D. 600-900 and lived where Hungary was founded, and also many people who came to Hungary to seek a better future. According to medieval custom they were not repelled in the use of their languages. Please, be so kind as to choose a name for the city of Kolozsvár from the three possibilities of Hungarian, German, Latin. And if it is impossible for you, then it is still better to call it on an English name than a Rumanian. The city merits that treatment from you, please!

I am hesitating how Kalocsa came into the picture. I don't remember. What I have to add is that Kalocsa was one of the most important towns 'dwelled' by a bishop. The region should be called around 'Alföld' - as the region nr. 85 is called. I would say Kalocsa should then be the capital of the Alföld, and Buda the capital of the region called Royal Dominium. This is even better idea than what I first have written to the thread.

Upper Hungary: Well, Kassa is an important town, but Pozsony is even more important: Pozsony was after the medieval ages the secondary capital of Hungary. With the Parliaments of the Commons, Lord and the Clerics in it. So, I would take Pozsony as Capital of Upper Hungary.

Sorry, Ewelyn, I can't ever keep it short. That's why it is ten times more effort to force myself to get down and write a post.... :-) Thank you for your attention