City names vs. province names

[Kyivan Power]

if u want to name those provinces in the region of Ukraine, go to this site and check it out, might help. http://travel.kyiv.org/map/

[Elvain]

I guess i miss understood then...cuz that would be in****ing... but have u thought about Kherson, of the Pechenegs ?

Sry for freaking out earlyer lolit's absolutely OK mate :cheers:

Cherson is on the Crymean peninsula (and it also is on the list :) just little lower), Pechenegs were just one of nomadic tribes that "visited" this area. Believe me, from, my researches Jedisan (or better spelled Yedissan) is probably the best solution. But there still is no medieval capital for that province ;(

PS: thanks for the link. But it is actual from late 20th century. It would be very temptating to use actual names of provinces, but not correct. Unfortnately in middle ages it was called in some other way ;(

[Kyivan Power]

the Pechenegs atually settled there didnt they?, Kyivan Rus fought them for a while. The Pechenegs even attack Byzantinium, it wasnt after Yaroslav the Wise that they were conquard. Either than that i have no clue... im more interested on whole empires rather than Provinces..

[Elvain]

You are right, but there were Cumans as well and many other nomads "Nogain khanate", mongols also, Avars and Magyars also some time before them. But nobody settlet there long enough to give the region a name, like f.e. Saxons did in Germany(Saxony), Angles in England(Anglia), Poles in Poland, Langobards in Italy(Lombardia) and many many others.

So in this case the region should have been called Pechnegia-Cumania-Avaria-Magyaria-Mongolia-....

Östersund is the largest town and there's a runestone there, so people have probaby been around there for some time.

For a complex map: check out Crusader kings.

http://www.gamespot.com/pc/strategy/crusaderkings/screens.html?page=9Yes, this is very detailed. But IMO this is little too fragmented. Too fragmented to be accurate in all regions. This level of fragmentation is good for Italy, Low countries, Rhein-Germany, France, northern Spain and maybe also England and Silesia. But it's all. In other parts of Europe provinces have to be made up by provincial cities which never were centres of any region. Some examples of areas where it would be very complicated: Hungary, Ukraine, Russia, Scandinavia. Other example: Bohemia. On my map it is as it was during whole middle ages, it never was divided into smaller pieces, only few marginal parts were oficial "lands" like county of Eger, Kladsko(now part of Poland), but those are very small areas. And on that my map Bohemia already is one of largest realms!

[Jarlabanke]

I think they've done a very good jov with Scandinavia (a sweidsh company though), technically they could've divided Sweden even more, as it is now they've managed to get it more fragmented than it is today. Russia in general isn't fragmented in to so small pieces, Bohemia is split in Praha, Usti nad Labem, Liberec, Plzen and Cheb, vassals of the Duke are also the bishop of Hradec Kralove and the count of Ostrava when the game begins in 1066, wish I had a screen.

[Elvain]

I think they've done a very good jov with Scandinavia (a sweidsh company though), technically they could've divided Sweden even more, as it is now they've managed to get it more fragmented than it is today. Russia in general isn't fragmented in to so small pieces, Bohemia is split in Praha, Usti nad Labem, Liberec, Plzen and Cheb, vassals of the Duke are also the bishop of Hradec Kralove and the count of Ostrava when the game begins in 1066, wish I had a screen.hmmm.. that's it. They divided it by ACTUAL main cities. Usti nad Labem, Liberec and Ostrava were absolutely unimportant cities in middle ages and are industrial cities grown in 19th and 20th century. And some of the most important - Litomerice(Leitmeritz), Budejovice(Budweis), Kutná Hora(Kuttenberg) - are missing. Actually those cities were the biggest and the most important(Praha, Kutná Hora, Plzen, Litomerice, Budejovice, Cheb(Eger), Hradec Kralove(only Hradec in middle ages) and Zatec) but they never were centres of any province.
There were no provinces inside Bohemia in middle ages, only some courtal districts and very few large noble dominions in marginal parts of country. But to divide land politicaly by jurial districts is a little crazy IMO.