City names vs. province names

[Emhyr var Emreis]

I hope the devs will follow Elewyn's maps and all his work around realms, cause it's really great.

but, Elewyn. Still Styria, No Caranthia ? To let Slovenians have "their own" realm, like every other european nation.

[Elewyn]

I know that area of "my" Styria includes Caranthia also, but Styria was in my opinion more important and larger. That's why I name it Styria. Slovenians can use it, no matter how it is called..

Btw, devs, any comments to number of realms in regions: western Europe, Central Europe, Eastern, Baltic region, Asia and Africa.??
If you have some "quotes",of course...

[Havoc]

no im just proud to see that there sre some ralms that are in Ukraine now

[Bagpipe]

Originally posted by Havoc
no im just proud to see that there sre some ralms that are in Ukraine now

those to be conquered by lithuanians:D

[Havoc]

no are u a little:confused: ???

[Bagpipe]

:scratch:

[Havoc]

Originally posted by Bagpipe
those to be conquered by lithuanians:D

i will not stand for such thoughts:angry: :angry: :angry:

[Siena]

Elewyn, gigantic job on the maps and names
:cheers:

Reval - Talinn is same dilema as Mitau-Jelgava in Kurland, but as Kurland is optional in my opinion - I don't mind either way.

Regarding Ukraine province - it could be joined to Kiev province, since it was largery uninhabbited at the time.
However, if it is important for some people to see it - it would do no harm to leave it.

[Havoc]

if u are refuring to me Siena then i say that they should have made it all 1 province Kiev, not
Ukraine-Odessa
Krym-Cherson
Kiiv(Kiev)

Because Kiev at that time was very huge like way bigger then Paris and i know this because im from Ukraine so i learnd the real history of Ukraine.

[Siena]

Hi Havoc,
No I was not reffering just to you.
Krym had separate history at the time. It was ruled either by Genoans or Tartars at the time, I think.....

[Bagpipe]

Originally posted by Havoc
i will not stand for such thoughts:angry: :angry: :angry:

Calm down, mate. I don't want to offend neither you nor Ukrainian (BTW, my favourite nation in Cossacks:) ) realms in the game. I simply wanna say I will try to reestablish Grand Duchy of Lithuania while playing KoH, so, I'll have to turn to Kiev:rolleyes: . I'm sure you'll try to do the same to other directions.:D

So, offering you a glass of Nemiroff:angel:

:cheers:

[Emhyr var Emreis]

Originally posted by Elewyn
I know that area of "my" Styria includes Caranthia also, but Styria was in my opinion more important and larger. That's why I name it Styria. Slovenians can use it, no matter how it is called..

Btw, devs, any comments to number of realms in regions: western Europe, Central Europe, Eastern, Baltic region, Asia and Africa.??
If you have some "quotes",of course... hmmm... okay

[timurlenk]

hmm.

styria was "built" in 1122, mainly based on rather small parts of the duchy carinthia / carantanum. carinthia was "formed" in the 7th/8th century and became a duchy 976.

to make a long story short: there was no styria before 1122. :cool:

[Havoc]

ok Bagpipe i offer u a glass of smirnof(vodka) :D :angry: :angry: :angry: :angry: :angry: :angry: :angry:

[Emhyr var Emreis]

Originally posted by timurlenk
hmm.

styria was "built" in 1122, mainly based on rather small parts of the duchy carinthia / carantanum. carinthia was "formed" in the 7th/8th century and became a duchy 976.

to make a long story short: there was no styria before 1122. :cool: Seen this, Elewyn?

Go, Carinthia, go!!!

[Elewyn]

18-11-2004, 16:30

HO HO HO... update :)

WESTERN EUROPE(34):
1 Leinster-Dublin
2 Munster-Cork
3 Ulster-Derry
4 Highlands-Inverness
5 Lothian-Dunedin (Edinburgh)
6 York-York
7 Mercia-Lincoln
8 Anglia-London
9 Kent-Cantenbury
10 Wales-Caernarvon
11 Cornwall-Exeter
12 Flandres-Brugge
13 Champagne-Reims
14 Francia-Paris
15 Normandy-Rouen
16 Bretagne-Rennes
17 Anjou-Angers
18 Aquitaine-Bordeaux
19 Auvergne-Clermont
20 Burgundy-Dijon
21 Savoie-Torino(Turin)
22 Provence-Arles
23 Tolouse-Tolouse
24 Aragon-Barcelona
25 Navarre-Pamplona
26 Castille-Burgos
27 Leon-Leon
28 Portugal-Lisaboa(Lisbon)
29 Toledo-Toledo
30 Valencia-Valencia
31 Granade
32 Andalucia-Cordoba

AFRICA&ASIA(30):
33 Tangier
34 Fez
35 Morocco-Marakech
36 WestSahara-Figuig
37 Oran
38 Tahert
39 Algier
40 Tunis
41 Touggourt
42 EastSahara-Wargla
43 WestTripolitana-Jerba
44 EastTripolitana-Tripolis
45 Barka-Cyrene
46 Siva
47 Alexandria
48 Egypt-Cairo
49 Palestine-Jerusalem
50 Syria-Dimashq(Damascus)
51 Arabia-Tebuk
52 Mesopotamia-Mosul
53 Antioch-Antiocheia(Antakya)
54 Kilikia-Tarsus
55 Cappadocia-Malatya
56 Armenia-Ani
57 Georgia-Suchumi
58 Trebzonide-Trapezunt(Trabzon)
59 Sinope
60 Anatolia-Ankyra
61 Efez
62 Nicaea

SOUTHERN EUROPE(25) PART1
63 Thrace-Constantinopolis(Constantinople)
64 Dobrudja-Karvuna
65 Bulgaria-Tarnovo
66 Solun
67 Hellas-Athína(Athens)
68 Epirus-Dyrrhachion(Drac)
69 Macedonia-Ochrid
70 Vidin
71 Serbia-Beograd(Belgrade)
72 Bosnia-Sarajevo
73 Dalmatia-Zadar
74 Croatia-Zagreb

CENTRAL EUROPE(25) PART 1:
75 Slavonia-Djakovo
76 Vojvodina-Severin
77 Transylvania-Klausenburg
78 Alföld-Buda
79 Upper Hungary-Pressburg
80 Pannonia-Pécs
81 Austria-Vienna
82 Carinthia-St. Veit capital until 1518 (thanks,timurlenk)

SOUTHERN, PART 2:
83 Venetia-Venezia(Venice)
84 Roma (Rome)
85 Naples-Napoli
86 Apulia-Bari
87 Sicily-Palermo
88 Crete-Iraklis
89 Cyprus-Leukosia
90 Sardiny-Cagliari
91 Corsica-Ajaccio
92 Tuscany-Pisa
93 Genoa
94 Lombardy-Milan
CENTRAL, PART 2:
95 Tyrolia-Innsbruck
96 Bavaria-Regensburg
97 Württemberg-Ulm
98 Helvetia-Bern
99 Alsace-Strassbourg
100 Pfalz-Mainz(Mayence)
101 Lorraine-Köln(Cologne)
102 Friesland-Utrecht
103 Saxony-Bremen
104 Nassau
105 Franconia-Bamberg
106 Brandenburg
107 Bohemia-Praha(Prague)
109 Moravia-Olomouc
110 Krakow
111 Silesia-Wroclaw
112 Polonia-Poznan
113 Pomerania-Sczieczin
114 Prussia-Marienburg(BALTIC REGION)
115 Mazovia-Warszawa(Warsaw)

EASTERN EUROPE(23):
116 Volhyn-Lutzk
117 Galicia-Halicz
119 Moldova-Suceava
120 Podole-Kamenec Podolskij
121 Ukraine-Odessa
122 Krym-Cherson
123 Kuban-Altariga
124 Azov
125 Voronezh
126 Perjeslavl(Perjeslaw)
128 Chernigov
129 Kiiv(Kiev)
130 TurovPinsk
131 Smolensk
132 Riazan
133 Muscovy-Moskva-(Moscow)
134 Vladimir
135 Jaroslavl(Jaroslawl)
136 Karelia-Kirilov
137 Tver
138 Novgorod
139 Polotsk

BALTIC REGION(17):
140 Lithuania-Vilnius
141 Samogitia-Medvegalis
142 Kurland-Mitau
143 Livonia-Riga
144 Estonia-Reval(Talinn)
145 Nyland-Wiborg
146 Finland-Turku
147 Norrland-Östersund
148 Svealand-Uppsala
149 Nidaros
150 Bergen
151 Oslo
152 Götaland-Kalmar
153 Skaane-Lund
154 Saeland-Odense
155 Jutland-Viborg

Where only one name is, province is called the same like it's capital.

And here are my maps (http://elvain.album.cz/map-suggestions/) or historical maps (http://www.euratlas.com/time2.htm)
last updated: 18-11-2004, 16:30

[Bora]

great work again, elewyn! :go:
if the devs are not using your list, i get angry :angry:

[Henrik]

yeahh, i also hope that they would at least look at it.......*whispering* i think they already have....shhhh....:angel:

[Finellach]

Well Elewyn great job, but I must say interesting how you've put Slavonia in middle Europe(where it should be), but you've also put Croatia(the central part with Zagreb as capital) in Southern Europe. Not to crtiscise you too much because you done a great job I will just recommend that you move Croatia in Middle Europe because that would be more geographically correct. ;)

Also yes Croats would be a slavic state although it's not that simple as I said. Croats have still a lot of work to do to uncover their real origins. My thesis is that Croats formed from few different people(as the genetic proved it), but yes we speak slavic language. :D

Btw. I will have to do some research and let you know what would be the best choices(because I am not sure you got it right) for the main cities in these realms like Bosnia, Croatia, Dalmatia, Slavonia....also Serbia(although I am sure there was no Serbia as a state or kingdo until some later periods). Either way I will let you know. ;)

[Elewyn]

Help is welcome (at least by me:D)
I'll change it, if you find something usefull for me (but pleas, without measuring by fingers, feet etc., it's interesting, but not so important when speaking about town/city development:))

To Serbia. I know, how the Serbs and Croats like each other, but there was kingdom of Raschka, which was IMPO ruled by Serbs and name Stepan Nemanja you will probably know also, when he was king of Serbia in 14th cent.


but...
regarding this Frank's post (http://forum.sunflowers.de/showthread.php?s=&postid=16382#post16382) whole this thread seems to be useless :(

We have only Realms and Kingdoms. The realm names are displayed above the towns.

Larger areas like Budapest will be named after the citiesWhy didn’t anybody tell me that I misunderstood Frujin’s words? I should have spent my time better than researching all those names :(